Leaders of 'Uncommitted' and 'Abandon Harris' movements reflect on Trump's victory and early moves
A combination of worry and cautious optimism about Trump — and deep anger at the Democratic Party — pervade the groups.
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“He at least, at least came and spoke to the Muslims. He heard them and said, ‘OK, I will finish. I will end the war in Middle East,’ even if he didn’t say, you know, a genocide, but he said he will bring peace,” she said. “And that’s what the people wanted to hear, and that’s why he got the votes.”
He's going to "end it" by rushing it to its conclusion you morons! Holy fuck! 🤦♂️
It kind of proves the point that the DNC should have listened to them instead of plugging their ears and walking past them.
Harris didn't even have to have any plans, but listening was too hard for them. Will they learn from it or blame others? Let's find out.
It rather proves how flawed the concept of democracy is. People can't be expected to make rational decisions. This is why candidates fill their campaigns with lies and cheap rhetoric. Because morons will believe it. Sure we'll all complain later about how "politicians always lie" but the people wanted that anyway.
Trump didn't listen to them, and he won their vote. So if anything, this proves they wanted someone more like Trump.
Trump did though. Not advocating for his policies but his campaign interacted with Arab voters a lot more than Harris's.
Harris/Walz visited Wayne County 12 times. Plus another 3 visits by Biden.
Trump/Vance only visited 8 times.
So you are saying that trump connected with Muslim votes more than Harris and Trump visited them even less? So trump had less opportunities to connect to these voters and (pretend to) listen to them. Harris couldn't outperform trump with the quality of visits?
I agree that Harris and the DNC do have lessons to learn but I don't think they will. They will continue to blame the voters that they won't listen to.
Exactly. Trump connected with them better despite fewer visits.
The lesson is that those voters want someone like Trump.
Close. The lesson is voters want to be listened to. You don't even have to do anything after that. Voters will forget by the next election.
Harris didn't want to listen, she wanted to go there and tell voters she is better than trump. I agree with that message, but I wasn't in the audience. Muslims were there. They weren't listened to at all by Harris. Trump at least said "fine I'll end the war." That proves he was listening. Being listened to and heard is enough for most people to go along with you, at least temporarily. Which is what trump needed and worked toward.
Trump at least said "fine I'll end the war."
That's not all he said.
"If you get me elected, and you should really be doing this … we're going to set that movement [the pro-Palestine solidarity campaign] back 25 or 30 years"
He said on Oct. 11 that a future Trump administration would “fully support Israel defeating, dismantling, and permanently destroying the terrorist group Hamas,” while telling the Republican Jewish Coalition later that month that Hamas fighters “will burn forever in the eternal pit of hell." That month, his campaign also said that, if elected again, he would bar Gaza residents from entering the U.S. as part of an expanded travel ban.
Based on that, it's clear that Trump did not win by pursuing a pro-Palestine policy. He nevertheless connected with Palestinian-American voters, and I suspect it's for the same reason he connected with Latino voters.
This just seems like a staunch refusal to listen to anything that doesn't reflect your tribalistic beliefs. You keep attempting to write these people off as not worthy of "our" time because you suspect they're part of the "out group" and racists which is why they voted for Trump.
The world isn't that simple and you're only causing division and a loss of support with puritanical beliefs such as this and the fact that you bring up "total number of visits to Wayne County Michigan" as a metric for how well each candidate connected with Muslims in America shows that you're on no sort of moral highground as you're boiling down a whole diverse population of people into a simple geographical statistic. This is dehumanizing and evokes other mildly racist, out-of-touch behaviors from the campaign such as: In outreach to Black men, Harris to vow to legalize weed, protect crypto
All voters are worthy of our time. But Trump's victory demonstrates that the American electorate, and Palestinian-Americans in particular, have moved further to the right since 2020. To the point that the staunchest supporter of Israel can win most demographics.
Democrats will have to grapple with this when formulating new policies. The only "tribalism" comes those who look at 2024 and imagine voters moved to the left.
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As for Wayne County, I was responding to "Trump interacted a lot more with Arab voters". There is no evidence of that.
Wayne County visits are admittedly an imperfect metric of interaction, so if you have some better comparative metric then I'd love to see it.
False. Biden infamously detoured his campaign stops in Michigan this year so he could avoid neighborhoods with Arab-American communities. He visited MICHIGAN often but avoided people and avoided meeting with community leaders. Trump, on the other hand, went to Dearborn and Hamtramack and met the mayor and told a bunch of lies about how he loves the community and wants to help them. The same mayor who Biden snubbed.
Harris had an open opportunity to wipe the slate clean, when she got the nomination the community was clamoring to meet and endorse her and her campaign said no to all of them. Delegates to the DNC wanted to endorse her publicly in hopes of getting their voters to vote for her and her campaign refused to let them do so. Even Trump let someone speak at the RNC. The Biden and Harris campaign created their own problem.
Trump did NOT win their vote. Way more Arabs and Muslims voted for Harris than Trump; CAIR survey reports Trump only got maybe 10% of the vote. Don’t blame us for the Harris campaign’s incredible screwups when they were gifted a reset from Biden and decided to repeat the same failure.
As opposed to dragging it out to the same exact conclusion?
Democrats have made it very clear that they're okay with the final solution as long as its spread out on a long enough timescale
This is the true meaning of incrementalism.
