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Bernie Sanders warns of 'extraordinary danger' facing U.S. under Trump at LA rally

www.npr.org /2025/04/13/nx-s1-5363702/bernie-sanders-warns-of-extraordinary-danger-facing-u-s-under-trump-at-la-rally

Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., told a crowd of thousands at a rally in Los Angeles on Saturday that the U.S. was facing a moment of "extraordinary danger" as he criticized the political, economic and social policies of Donald Trump.

Sanders, who also dropped by the music festival Coachella over the weekend, has been criss-crossing the U.S. to speak out against the new Republican administration.

"We are living in a moment of extraordinary danger," he said, "and how we respond to this moment will not only impact our lives but will impact the lives of our kids and future generations."

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Fuck you Bernie and the rest of the Democrat puppets
Republican puppets are dismantling the country but Democrats are the do nothing party that allows the fascism to continue
- I dont rellay get the Bernie hate. He is one of very very few politicians actually doing something: rile up a base to vote against Trump and Republicans. What exactly do you think he should be doing?
  
  The people hating on Bernie now are the same people that were discouraging people from voting Harris.
  
  he's become a shill that's using his reputation to guide people back into a party that has done nothing to counter trump and supports the genocide.
  
  Yes, Democrats bad. We get it. What's your solution for that other than the Glorious Revolution™ that most of us disabled and/or living in poverty won't survive.
  Not voting for the Democrats really showed them for supporting the genocide. Bet they reversed course on tha- Oh... You mean they decided that Gaza wasn't the problem and instead it was their support of trans people like me? Damn...
  
  the yougov polls shows that your fellow democrats didn't vote because they didn't want to be complicit in a genocide that the democrats openly enabled; not because they wanted to punish the democrats and this is going to happen again and again because even the likes of bernie sanders are a zionists.
  that poverty you're living through comes as the hands of democrats and republicans alike. sure, it's slower with the democrats, but you're still going to live with it nonethless.
  and there will be no glorious revolution; just a natural decay of the system we're in and a natural response from the people like us once things get bad enough, while we watch people in other places have it much better.
  
  yougov is an england-based private organization, founded by right wingers. They've encroached upon and prevert American politics.
  yougov is propaganda.
  
  the yougov polls shows that your fellow democrats didn't vote because they didn't want to be complicit in a genocide that the democrats openly enabled; not because they wanted to punish the democrats and this is going to happen again and again because even the likes of bernie sanders are a zionists.
  Yeah, but what lesson did leadership take from this whole thing? That they were too far left on trans issues. But yeah Bernie is the Zionist when he was pushing for blocking weapons to Israel.
  that poverty you're living through comes as the hands of democrats and republicans alike. sure, it's slower with the democrats, but you're still going to live with it nonethless.
  I know exactly who is responsible for the merciless regime of means testing that makes escaping poverty such a Sisyphean task because they'd rather 100 deserving people get nothing if it prevents a single undeserving person from benefiting. I have no love for the Democrats. I simply understand that First Past the Post has my well being held hostage and a win outside the duopoly on a national scale is mathematically impossible.
  and there will be no glorious revolution; just a natural decay of the system we're in and a natural response from the people like us once things get bad enough, while we watch people in other places have it much better.
  There it is. Pray tell, what is this "natural response" you speak of? Cuz I might be wrong, but it sounds to me like myself and millions like me are still expected to be sacrificed upon the altar of ideological purity so they don't have to do something icky like vote for a Democrat.
  
  zionism and providing weapons to isreal are related, but not the same thing; bernie does one of them, but the results are the same.
  the first-past-the-post argument is like anti-3rd-party-voting rhetoric and is meant to re-enforce this shitty voting system and deflect blame away from the people who have forced it upon us. there have been multiple living, breathing examples that prove such rhetoric is false; mexico and sheinbaum is the most recent proof.
  the democrats and the republicans are two sides of the same mainstream coin that inevitably come after vulnerable groups when things start to get bad, like they are right now. niemoller's poem warns us that leftists and trans people need to work together to protect ourselves against this mainstream and your comment about the "Glorious Revolution™" & fptp proves how effectively the american system sows disunity.
  finally, we have plenty of examples of what this natural response will look like and adherence like yours to the status quo groups like the democrats is helping to usher it in.
  
  The first past the post argument is anti-3rd-party-voting rhetoric? The long studied mathematical tendency of first past the post systems to consolidate towards two party rule through among other factors strategic voting and the spoiler effect? Yeah okay Buddy. You're definitely the best leftist here. You win.
  
  Trans and disabled sounds like 2 checkmarks on the maga checklist.
  It's a shame that you couldn't see that Gaza is the line. You decided genocide against innocent people wasn't a disqualifier and now you cry about your own impending doom while mocking your would be allies.
  LMAO. You reap what you sow, fool.
  
  Both MAGA and these so-called "allies" want me dead at the end of the day. We're just expected to starve to death when Amerikkka collapses or the people finally rise up.
  I know full well how horrific what Israel is doing is. But there was no anti-genocide option on the ballot in 2024. There was no way that Jill Stein or whoever was going to get enough votes to win. Hell, most of Stein's supporters I talked to their best case scenario was getting to 5% for debate access and federal funds next go round. Any that I confronted about Gaza not having 4 years just shrugged and said some variation of "better than voting for a genocide" How exactly? Because they didn't have to sacrifice their ideological purity?
  
  Also, Jill Stein is just as corrupted by Russian money as all the Republican Party leadership are. She just exists to steal Dem votes.
  
  Antigenocide was absolutely on the ballot, but like the others you tell yourself the stories of impossibility that the duopoly wants you to believe.
  So you chose the people that promised Roe v Wade would become law for 50+ years and everytime they have the ability to do so they shrug their shoulders and say "Meh."
  Or maybe the same allies who allow the parliamentarian to arbitrarily shut down the will of the people.
  Or maybe it's the same people who get you to "rally against the oligarchy" that will tell you to fall in line for the next corporate democrat who is actually a republican with a mask on.
  Harris was the perfect candidate to illustrate the willing ineptitude of the democrats, and people looked at her like she was going to be some kind of savior.
  Change doesn't happen by doing the same thing over and over again. The only difference Harris really offered from Trump was facade and rhetoric. The democrats had 4 years to do something to help people and motivate votes their way. They instead chose genocide. All the money they sent could have been used to help people like you and I, but they chose death.
  They are not allies, and you will you never achieve any meaningful change or progress with them holding the reigns. They have proven this over and over again.
  
  Some historical context for you.
  Just in case you don't read or comprehend the article here is a TL;DR
  Third party is dead in the US without changes to the voting process.
  And just to be more clear: You, and anyone else who voted third party essentially voted for Trump. And if you didn't vote you voted for Trump as well.
  
  if you didn’t vote you voted
  the mental gymnastics inside one clause are incredible
  
  If you don't understand how either not voting or voting third party equated to voting for Trump then I guess enjoy riding your moral high horse of superiority.
  
  trump only gets to count votes for him. any other vote is a vote against him, and a non vote is a non vote
  
  Yes, we already covered Democrats Bad. I agree. I hate them with a passion. Doesn't change that in a national electoral sense they are the only viable party at this moment to enact any kind of positive change. They are not and should never be the only option. But all people who talk like you do ever seem to offer as a solution is the "Glorious Revolution™" that hundreds of thousands if not millions of vulnerable people WILL die in because they never think about how those people are going to survive when food or medicine supply lines get disputed by fighting for the most fucking basic of examples.
  They engage in this rhetoric because it's Magical Thinking that absolves them of having to do something they feel is icky and stains their ideological purity. It'll all be fixed when the Oppressed finally throw off their chains and eat the rich or whatever.
  
  Revolution starts in the mind.
  
  Trolling with anonymous input on a basis of moral superiority helps no one and makes you appear to be an agent sowing division. Just FYI, contributing nothing to the conversation, other than telling others they should be ashamed is bot behaviour.
  
  Shame is a tool for personal growth especially for someone who wants empathy from others when unwilling to show it to the people who need it the most.
  The main contribution to the conversation is that democrats haven't done anything to help the non-wealthy when they had power so why would you keep voting for them?
  That's insanity. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
  Even if MAGA is disillusioned and votes for the things that will ultimately hurt themselves, their issues have been taken up and approached by the people they elected.
  How come Trump is all of a sudden willing to yield this power for the people who voted for him, but when democrats get into power they are powerless?
  Democrats should be doing everything they can to help people - especially right now in this constitutional crisis, but where are they? Sheepherding people out of their anger and frustration into a place where they are going to tell people to once again vote for the lesser of two evils. That game is old.
  They don't have any concrete plan on what to do even though they lamented for months about project 2025. It was all laid out before them months in advance, and they still have ZERO plan (or even a hint of an idea) on how to combat it. So they have folded and started doing speaking about nothing tours.
  They are just the good cops in this dynamic - and guess what - the good cop and the bad cop are buddies.
  I'm not telling you I know how to solve the problem, but I am telling you I know exactly how to not solve the problem.
  To continue making excuses for and putting faith in a party that doesn't give you anything but pleasantries and plattitudes is just going to enable things getting worse - slowly when democrats are in power and rapidly when republicans hold the office.
  Ps. I am old enough to remember when Genocide Joe said he was only going to be a one term president and pass the reigns to the next generation, but then he gave the middle finger to everyone and sabotaged the entire 2024 election? You know who enabled him to go through with that disastrous policy decision?
  The entire DNC.
  I also remember that wonderful primary season of 2024 where the democrats saw through a democratic process where the people chose the successor to Biden. Oh wait that didn't actually happen because the DNC gave everyone the middle finger again.
  
  The enemy of progress is division. Holding idealised views of how political parties should be is disingenuous virtue signalling and disregards how politics work(s)ed in America with AIPAC, corporate lobbying and a two party system of First Past The Post elections. You are right to want further change, but right now this divisive rhetoric only serves the ruling class. Democrats are always targeted for their failings and support for the party is often split because of it, while republicans disregard all criticism and stay united through their hatred and obfuscation of the truth. You can be right without also serving the purposes of your enemy. If they prevail, when they finally crush every last one of us because there was no united opposition. It does not matter how correct you are my friend, being right won't matter. "I told you so" means nothing in Hell.
  
  This isn't virtue signaling or moral high grounding.
  It's pointing out facts. The fact is the leaders of the democratic party are the most divisive of all, claiming to espouse progressive policies yet always blaming the most ardent supporters of those policies when they lose elections.
  Why are people seeking refuge in a party that silences the voices of the people most in need. This is the whole point. There will be no appeal to their power. They enjoy the divide because it keeps them in power.
  Bernie Sanders just had someone thrown out and arrested for raising a "Free Palestine" flag at his latest rally while the whole auditorium was chanting "Free Palestine."
  The false claims of anti-semitism/national security that Trump is using to deport people started underneath the democrats with their support.
  
  Why are people seeking refuge in a party that silences the voices of the people most in need.
  Because the other option is the destruction of Western intellectualism, death camps, the genocide of the working class and White Supremacy. It's quite simple really.
  
  This is an example of being obtuse.
  One party wants you to shut up so the other can run wild over you.
  The duopoly ladies and gentlemen.
  
  You "disqualified" everyone for not doing enough and left Palestine to the group who would be fine if all Arabic peoples were wiped out.
  But I'm sure Palestinians are weeping thankfully about how you and yours voted.
  Sounds less like caring about Palestinian innocents and more about performative righteousness and your personal image.
  If Trump and maga appreciate your actions (and boy did they), it puts you on their side, imo.
  
  Unfortunately it seems that your brain doesn't work, sir.
  You seem to forget that the majority of the recent genocide of Palestinians was so far overseen by a democratic president.
  Did you think voting for those same people would make it stop?
  
  Does yours?
  Try seeing outside of black and white absolutes.
  Are you unable to see that this administration is WORSE?
  Are you incapable of understanding why people who support Palestine might vote for the lesser evil of two guaranteed options?
  You and others like you scream about how we don't care about genocide, but I'm pretty sure you know the truth and you're just trying to convince yourself that you did the right thing.
  
  Yes this administration is worse. Cool. We agree. It's the disastrous policies of democrats that got us here. We know what Maga is. They know what Maga is. They had the project 2025 plans months in advance. What did they give you? An senile candidate who was out of touch with reality and completely controlled by his handlers and then Kamala the coconut cop and a bunch of vibez. You had 0 participation in the democratic process of the democratic party.
  Project 2025 is going down right now and they are out here doing publicity stunts. These people are not fighting for you now as the constitution is being shred - when will they ever???
  Lol I don't need to convince myself of anything. I vote my conscience. If nearly all of the country was ok with ignoring the genocide they are sponsoring - well I guess I live in a country of selfish selfish people who need a rude awakening. I don't know what to tell you.
  The whole country ignored 1 million dead Iraqi. This is the natural progression of a society that steps on another to maintain the status quo. Eventually you are going to get stepped on.
  If someone told you that you had to sacrifice your entire family in order to "save democracy" would you do it?
  Of course not - so why is sacrificing the Palestinians a-ok with all of you people who are now trembling in fear at what's coming? Why should anyone expect empathy when they weren't willing to give it?
  When analyzing how a situation came to be do you only look to deflect and blame other people or are you going to take some time to self-reflect and question how your behavior or way of thinking may have led us to this point? And what do you do to change it?
  
  I don't disagree about the Democrats.
  We DO disagree that it was worth allowing the administration that is objectively worse for the Palestinians to take charge to make a point about the Democrats.
  If someone told you that you had to sacrifice your entire family in order to "save democracy" would you do it?
  You're still missing it.
  While saving democracy is certainly part of avoiding Trump, you're still trying to spin this into something it's not.
  The relevant point here is that with Democrats, they'd probably still be in a load of trouble while the Dems played politics until they figured out just how much of their base supports Palestine.
  With the Republicans... they cheer for the genocide. Hell, if they pull enough authority with this grab, they'll probably send troops to help the IDF finish the job.
  People like me voted for the chance to avoid the latter. I'd like to think people like you voted for hope.
  But when people who voted for neither major party yell about how Democrat voters are "fInE wItH gEnOcIdE", when it was a calculated choice in support of Palestine, it starts to feel like virtue signaling.
  
  I'm not missing anything. Maybe you forgot recent history?
  To your point, I don't think republicans are lock step in this issue either. I think there is a significant break between those who support and those who don't - look at Candace Owens for example. There is also a large contingent who support 0 foreign aid even to the murderers.
  I do believe however that thinking anything would move the democrats is naive. They have been telling us for years to shut up and fall in line, and they have done it multiple times to people advocating for Palestine - Bernie did it just this week.
  The democrats armed and allowed this all to happen on their watch. They could have shut it down and then Trump wouldn't be able to continue anything. But they let it happen and continue to happen. This the crux of my position.
  They could have stopped it at anytime - anytime a hospital was bombed, anytime a video surfaced of a child being blown away or sniped in the head, anytime one of the bombs Josh Shapiro signed was dropped on a community of destroyed people living in tents, anytime Biden illegally bypassed congress to send more weapons, but they didn't. This is what people need to realize. They could have stopped it but they didn't - even with all of the overwhelming evidence that what is/was taking place is evil.
  So why would they stop if they won? It's cognitive dissonance.
  You still have faith in democrats while I am looking back at the evidence over my lifetime that says you are better off writing a letter to Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny than getting the democrats to do anything meaningful.
  
  he’s become a shill that’s using his reputation to guide people back into a party that has done nothing
  You can accuse Sanders of Entryism to your heart's content and I won't raise more than an eyebrow. But the idea that Sanders is trying to guide liberals back to the liberal party is absurd. Democrats were always going to come home to the Democratic Party. If Sanders is guilty of trying to transform the party from the inside, that's a strategy at least as honorable as Trump's vision of transforming the Republican Party was vile.
  But the sentiment is misplaced regardless. Sanders isn't going to find the big OFF button in the Democratic Party's genocide machine, because it doesn't exist. Trying to blame him for liberal endorsements of fascism at home is as foolhard as it would be to excuse him for his historical endorsements of Israel. He can hold all the rallies he wants, for whichever party he pleases. But this is ultimately outside of his hands and squarely in the hands of the American proletariat. They're running the Big Genocide Machine and only they can dismantle it.
  
  this ignores the roles of propaganda, misinformation, manufactured consent and lobbyists have on the american people; liberals ignoring these things are the key reasons why the genocide machine keeps going brrrrr and people who are aware of that fact (as sanders likely is) but help perpetuate it nonetheless are at least as guilty as the conservatives who dgaf.
  
  this ignores the roles of propaganda, misinformation, manufactured consent and lobbyists have on the american people;
  Well, it cedes that - absent any other voices - the existing liberal propaganda will win out and Dems will revert to the Bill Clinton / Joe Biden candidate mean.
  Sanders offering an alternative from within the party isn't selling out anything. He's offering an alternative that won't offend liberals terrified of another Ralph Nader or Ross Perot "stealing" the election for the opposition.
- Gtfo and go back to Twitter, as you keep sucking Elon’s balls.
- join the sra, then, but you need to spend a hundred times more effort fighting your enemies than your allies

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