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Another truth that must be addressed is that most Jewish people either actively or passively support the genocide of Palestinians. Therefore we need people like me within Judaism to call it out and people outside of Judaism to agree it's a problem.
- most Jewish people
  Whether or not that's true, I don't think it's the sort of claim that should be made without supporting evidence. Bear in mind that the Zionist lobby is powerful, vocal and ruthless, many people may be afraid to speak out against it. If a group can be made to feel like they are the minority, it can seem as if they really are.
  
  I dont think there are any trustworthy statistics so ill be honest, I mostly went off my personal experience as a Jewish person and having interacted with my community extensively
  
  I mean it is a true statistic.
  https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/05/30/israeli-views-of-the-israel-hamas-war/
  https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-israel-has-valid-reasons-for-fighting-fewer-say-the-same-about-hamas
  Support for the IDF among American and Israeli Jewish people alone accounts for more than half of the worldwide Jewish population. It's not antisemitic to point out that most Jewish people worldwide support the genocide.
  What is antisemitic is to dislike Jewish people in general because of it.
  
  Just to clearify, I am Jewish. When I point out that most Jews are Zionist im making my frustration about my people clear.
- This certainly appears to be true.
  My government, and Israel, have made it clear that my opposition to the genocide in Gaza makes me an antisemite. I have maybe only once read of a Jewish person or group opposing this view.
  So be it, I know which side of history I want to tell my young nieces and nephews I was on, so I have no problem whatsoever with any of legal issues this might cause me.
  Of course, the price for Israel (and silent Jewish people) making the judgement that I and most socially liberal people are antisemites, is Jewish people are on their own, other than the far right/nazi aligned groups who support their actions in Gaza, in terms of international support from people not governments.
  Edit - and as an aside, I think this new alignment indicates that a lot of the 20th century Western notions of political 'left' and 'right' are dead, 'liberalism' is a political double-speak (do you mean economic or social liberalism? Because they are at odds), and it isn't Russia v. the USA, because American oligarchs and wannabe strongmen are in perfect alignment with their Russian counterparts.
  
  Code Pink, Jewish voice for peace, Norman Finkelstein, Gabor Maté, Ilan Pappé, Noam Chomsky, Judith Butler. These are some of the Jewish folks opposing settler colonial Zionism. There is a strong Jewish tradition of being on the right side of history. Sure, Judaism is not a monolith, and sure, maybe (and this is a really big fat maybe, and I'd love to see actual data either supporting or refuting this, which is conspicuously absent from this discussion) the majority of Jews support Israel's actions, but there is a sizable portion of Jews worldwide that oppose settler colonialism, and and even larger portion that opposes the ongoing genocide.
- Better watch out. Lemmy will ban you for saying a majority of the Jewish population. Support a genocide because they are blood thirsty. Just be careful. Zionists control the subs and site.
  
  Conspiracy much?
  
  i poked through their recent comments and a lot of them are like this. i find it suspicious that they commit the cardinal mistake of saying “lemmy” rather than “.world” or something.
  zero trust in this kind of posting lol. these are serious accusations and should be leveled seriously, not a bazillion times responding to rando comments.
  
  A recent account at that. Possibly part of the last Reddit wave, not yet aware of the cultural differences here.
  Dear newbies - Welcome! We're glad you found your way here. All we ask is that you leave all your Reddit-baggage by the door. You won't be needing it.
  
  I got permabanned for harassment after commenting the Shadow tge Hedgehog copypasta.
  
  You're thinking of Reddit, I was banned for saying "Israel murders children" on three accounts, after the third they had enough of my non genocidal talks and perm banned me.
  
  "Lemmy" doesn't ban people, but certain instances might.
  aka, if I get banned from Lemmy.world, I am not banned from Lemmy, just from lemmy.world.
  
  Ok fed
  
  The mods and admins here arent zionists, they're zionist sympathizers and genocide apologists

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