Fairphone announces the €599 Fairphone 6, with a 6.31" 120Hz LTPO OLED display, a Snapdragon 7s Gen 3 chip, and enhanced modularity with 12 swappable parts

I had a phone without before, that one came with a simple cheap passive adapter for USB-C to 3.5mm headset. You lose out on using headphones while charging, but other than that I was never really inconvenienced...

That means the audio still goes through another DAC, lowering the sound quality, compared to an analog 3.5 jack. Also, who wants to further risk wearing out\vreaking their charge port, jack inputs almost seem like they can't break.
- Technically it only goes through 1 dac, not "another one". But still, yeah, your phone's dac is most likely a lot better than the one on a $10 adapter. However, the usb-c spec does allow an analog audio signal passthrough. Whether that's available or not depends on the phone I guess.
  
  Too bad LG got out of the phone biz. They had the best dacs and some good phones.
  
  Damn right. LG G5 for example was a pretty interesting concept that could've evolved into something cool.
After having a phone without a 3.5mm port or a microSD card slot, the top 2 features I want on a phone are a 3.5mm port and a microSD card slot.
Shame Sony discontinued their Xperia 5 series, even if they were also excessively priced.
- What's the use case for microSD slots on phones these days anyway?
  If it's (just) to avoid paying Google or Apple storage fees, you can work around that by buying one or several HDDs to keep at home and sync stuff over the local network, possibly even build a server and access your stuff remotely.
  I really don't understand the need for that much space on the go, though. Are you watching entire series on your phone?
  
  "just", I think not giving money to Apple or Google anything is a perfectly good reason alone to want expandable storage.
  Phone manufacturers charge a massive premium for more storage on a phone, storage which is then lost if the phone dies. A microSD card can be moved around and they cost little.
  Not everyone has a home server, in fact a very very small percentage do and being able to store their photos and what-not on a microSD card is very valuable. The freedom to add more storage is a good thing to have. Most people can understand an SD card, but not how to setup an entire home server with syncing etc, let alone exposing that to the web to access it anywhere. It also costs money to run, a microSD card doesn't.
  The only reason we don't have expandable storage or a 3.5mm port anymore is: money. They want to sell you that cloud service, upcharge you for more internal storage and make you buy their bluetooth earbuds.
  
  I hope you’re not suggesting that people store all of their photos and movies and stuff on their phones SD card and SD card only……
  SD cards are absurdly volatile and prone to corruption.
  
  Of course not... people should still do regular backups.
  
  I understand all of that and I agree with you. Not wanting to pay monthly storage fees is perfectly reasonable too. I know I did everything to avoid giving Google any money for storage.
  But microSD slots on phones aren't coming back, and manufacturers are giving you 512GB of internal storage at most, so we need to move on with the times.
  I don't have a home server (yet) either, but I do have 2 TB disks I use to store all the important stuff I want to save forever. Nothing lives on my phone so I'm fine with 128GB.
  Local syncing can be done just by installing Syncthing or Omnisend, and everything gets transferred through your home Wi-Fi. No need for complicated setups. I mentioned home servers as an example but you certainly don't need one.
  MicroSD cards also die so I don't know why you used that as a slight against internal phone storage. You should always have backups.
  Storage is dirt cheap these days, it makes no sense to hinder yourself buying niche phones, often at inflated prices, just for a feature that is easily worked around. In my opinion.
- aw man, this is the first i'm hearing about discontinuation. apparently it's because people want larger phones?!
  i have a 5 IV and it is by far the largest phone i've ever owned... i wish it was like an inch smaller. but it was the only model i could find that doesn't have a non-rectangular screen. these bloody camera cutouts are everywhere and i never even use the front camera.
  
  Yep... everyone wants phablets. Apparently.
  I don't mind the cutouts (if done right), they just sit in the notification bar, so they never obscure anything anyway. That's a place Sony could have shaved off the extra height imo, the top and bottom bezels are pretty unnecessary.
  We are slowly moving to under-screen cameras now though.
  
  i mean the bezels together are less than 1cm. and the notch takes space from notifications, with two sim cards and a vpn active that shit overflows instantly anyway.
  
  Fair, I suppose it depends on how the software handles it too. Personally I never let notifications stack up and the VPN for me is on the other side. I'd personally rather have the shorter phone and a cutout.
  
  vpn is on the right, yeah. but this is with just one sim:
  
  with two i get another signal strength and wifi calling symbol. it's already collapsing them when not on the quick setting screen, which is very frustrating.
  
  FYI, you can disable the icons you don't want/need using (https://github.com/zacharee/Tweaker). Although that doesn't solve the actual problem...
  
  i do want the icons, yeah.
  
  Thanks, I didn't know about this. Though it should just be default settings you can change... size, position, enabled/disabled. All pretty simple settings that should be provided.
  
  We are slowly moving to under-screen cameras now though.
  Nothing better than a selfie from a low angle, right?
  
  i think they mean "under" as in "behind".
  
  lol, that’s very possible
  
  Yes that's exactly it. A camera under/behind the display. Not at the bottom of the screen aha (the bottom changes I guess too, depending on your phone rotation).
  
  The Sony form factor is the best on the market IMO. You can hold it in you hand and get more screen in the height.
  
  They’re really no different to a regular iPhone or iPhone pro in terms of size.
  https://www.phonearena.com/phones/size/Apple-iPhone-16-Pro,Sony-Xperia-5-V/phones/12239,12193
  
  agree, i just wish they kept a model like the Z* Compact around.
I disagree about this being a good solution. USB-C is not meant to take the strain of being used as an audio port when being used in the go so there is risk of damaging the port while a headphone jack is more stable and allows the plug to rotate. Plus I don't want to have a dingle I can forget when in a rush.
- Plus I don't want to have a dingle I can forget when in a rush.
  Just have the dongle permanently attached to your earbuds like it's a part of the cable.
  
  Awesome solution. Remove the port that everything used to have and make consumers buy adapters. I have like 5 headphones. Should I go buy an adapter for each one? Not to mention that I can easily fix a headphone cable but if a 3.5 to usb-c adapter breaks, it basically becomes junk.
  
  you use all five every week?
  
  I use them and that's more than reason enough to want a reliable, small, cheap, jack that literally has no downsides and lets me use my devices how I want to use them.
  
  Unless you want to use them with a device that doesn’t have a headphone jack.
- Interesting, I would think that they would consider being eternally connected to a power bank when designing USB-C.
- They should make cases with the adapter built in, the way they used to (still do?) for external battery packs.
  
  Or just put the port in the phone.
You also have to remember to have that adapter with you
- If you need to plug the headphones into the adapter, you can just leave them plugged in after disconnecting from the phone
  This way, the headphones almost become ones with USB-C connectors than auxiliary barrels.
- An issue shared with the headphones themselves
  
  I just leave the adapter plugged into the headphones. Then there's nothing extra to manage.
  
  I have like a dozen pairs of headphones
  
  how many do you use per week?
  
  The adapters are dirt cheap, buy doezen of them
  
  No thank you.
I have a tablet that came with a C to 3.5 adapter and it worked well enough for a bit but soon enough it was only intermittently allowing the headphone connection to work, with a message about the port being dirty or something. Yet I could go right from unplugging that and putting the charger in and it worked fine.
There's just no substitute for a dedicated port, especially when it barely takes up any room
You can find adapters that can charge while still having a 3.5mm back
- I use one of those daily and god they're all terrible. They're huge and they all break really easily. My phone is fucking huge, just give me a built in headphone jack!
- fast charging / USB-PD may not work, and 3.5mm media controls may not pass through properly
It's really a small inconvenience, but using an adapter would mean I'd be prone to misplace it when I use my headphones on anything else, so it hardly makes anything better
- The reason for not using a headphone jack is making it simpler for the manufacturer, one less connector to handle which also limits how slim a phone can be.
  I'm not saying this is good for the consumer, but there are reasons for integrating the functionality into the USB-C port.
  
  For $700 I'm not interested in compromising my own convenience for theirs.
  
  Then you’re going to have to go and start your own phone company. Good luck to you, let us know when your phone comes out.
  
  Fair, though the fact doesn't exist in a vacuum.
  If you want easily replaceable parts and a system that can unlock the bootloader for example, your argument can be made for 99% of phones on the market. The more requirements you add, the smaller the scope gets until there are no devices left to choose from.
  
  We were doing perfectly fine 10 years ago and manufacturing has only gotten more advanced, the only real reason the 3.5mm port was removed is because Apple wanted to sell people their AirPods. That's literally it. The rest of the manufacturers soon followed suit when they realised how many people were buying AirPods.
  
  It's not hard to manufacture a headphone jack. We've been doing it since the 80s. Probably costs them a penny BOM.
  
  I don't think his point was the jack itself but the device around the jack. Physically and electronically.
  
  That's what I'm also talking about.
  
  These points were all disproved long ago. The jack is a the same thickness as the display.
  The reason is because BT headphones have a much higher margin, and need to be replaced every few years because of the battery (if not already replaced because they were lost or damaged).
  It's just a dumb cash grab.
  
  This would make sense if the only Bluetooth headphones that worked with the phone were made by the same company, but alas, that’s not how it works.
  The reason they don’t have a headphone jack anymore is because it’s easier to make without it, saves money, has a built in replacement in BT, and people overwhelmingly love BT headphones due to being wireless.
  
  one less connector to handle which also limits how slim a phone can be.
  The headphone jack is 3.5mm. iPhones are ~7.5mm thick, more than double. The smallest phone available on the market is 4.2mm.

Not having a headphone jack is just a slap in the face from a company whose whole image is supposed to be longevity and eco-friendly.

No one has been using aux cable mobile headphones for the past 10 years. Headphone jack is e-waste at this point. bluetooth audio is great and if you really want to be a boomer you can use the usb C headphones.
- Headphone jack is e-waste
  you can use the usb C headphones
  What the absolute fuck are you talking about? What am I supposed to do with the dozen wired headphones I already have? Some of them decades old? Throw them in the garbage? Sounds real eco-friendly.
  bluetooth audio is great
  It is. We had it on phones since before the original iPhone. No one wants to take that away.
  Problem is BT headphones last 2 years then they go in the garbage because the batteries are dead. How eco-friendly is that!?
  
  Problem is BT headphones last 2 years then they go in the garbage because the batteries are dead. How eco-friendly is that!?
  My 7 years old bluetooth headphone would disagree.
  It is. We had it on phones since before the original iPhone. No one wants to take that away.
  And no one except a vocal minority want to keep it. There are a lot on data on that, and manufacturer make their decision on that data.
  But lets ignore that, and let's take my viewpoint as a customer. I don't want a port I have no use for. I don't want a DAC I have no use for. I don't want the extra weight that comes with them.
  My needs conflict with yours, so what's the only way to make both of us somewhat happy? That's by making the 3.5mm jack an addon, which is what any manufacturer that does not focus on music listening would do.
  
  And no one except a vocal minority want to keep it. There are a lot on data on that,
  I would love to see the data that says everyone wants wired devices only. I don't believe you.
  don't want a port I have no use for.
  Why would you even care!?
  I don't want the extra weight that comes with them.
  😆 Buddy if you don't want extra weight you need to talk to these OEMs about making their phones out of giant slabs of glass. A 1g connector isn't going to make a difference. You're being completely ridiculous.
  My needs conflict with yours,
  No they don't. They can meet both of our needs by including a jack. Simple as.
  
  I'm voluntarily exagerating my point here for irony sake.
  My needs isn't more important than anyone else, but I wanted to point out the selfishness of the oposite point of view by making mine as selfish. Those in favor of keeping a jack port voluntarily choose to ignore any alternative, while trying to force their need on other people.
  But it is true I do not want that port back. It is redundant, has no advantages over a dongle, and it inconveniences could easily be overcome by simply adding a second usb-c port. No need for internal DAC, you'd be able to do far more than you'll ever be able to do with a 3.5mm jack, and you'll be able to charge it while listening to your music with a wired headphone. All that with a smaller and more flexible port.
  And it would take you 5min searching the web to get good review about usbc DAC with actually good sound, even better than any internal DAC.
  But to save you a click, you have the Apple one, which has good review while being able to drive almost all headphones but the most energy intensive of them. It cost a whopping... $10.
  As for the precise number, you can find them on market studies. Unfortunately they are quite pricy, and as I'm not in that field, I do not have access to them. But Fairphone does, and if they don't bother adding that port back, they are most probably basing their decision on them.
  
  My needs isn't more important than anyone else, but I wanted to point out the selfishness of the oposite point of view by making mine as selfish.
  There's nothing selfish here. Keeping the jack benefits everyone except Apple and other BT headphone OEMs. It doesn't hurt anyone else.
  has no advantages over a dongle
  The advantage is that you don't need a dongle...
  and it inconveniences easily be overcome by simply adding a second usb-c port
  Still requires carrying a dongle or buying a pair of headphones that only works with phones and computers, and not the vast array of other devices that still use headphone jacks, new and old. So that solves absolutely nothing. As I said elsewhere, we've created a competing standard, for no reason.
  you'd be able to do far more than you'll ever be able to do with a 3.5mm jack
  What? Do you think we're suggesting removing the USB port? What are you talking about?
  And it would take you 5min searching the web to get good review about usbc DAC with actually good sound, even better than any internal DAC.
  I don't want to search the web. I don't want a DAC. I just want to plug in my headphones. This is absurd.
  It cost a whopping... $10.
  $10 to buy something that previously cost me $0. Only it's inevitably going to get lost so you'd better buy a half dozen of them and replace them every few years, so you're looking at dozens of $ per year for something that was previously completely unnecessary.
  As for the precise number...I'm not in that field, I do not have access to them
  Yeah, I didn't think so.
  But Fairphone does
  Where? If you know they have it, then you must have it as well?
  and if they don't bother adding that port back, they are most probably basing their decision on them.
  No, they're basing that decision on the same thing everyone else is: money. Greed. Much like Apple they also released their own bluetooth headphones at the same time as they removed their headphone jack. But I suppose that's just coincidence, right?
  
  Could also have been the other way around.
  Fairphone removes the headphone jack > realize they would need an alternative > realize most TW headphones are e-waste to be > make their own with ~~blackjack and hookers~~ a removable battery, making it a solution to TW headphones with non-removable batteries.
  Don't call fool without any proof, or you'll have a very sad life supposing the worst from anyone you'll meet. Coincidence is no proof of causation.
  
  Don't call fool without any proof
  Brother, you're the one making claims without any proof.
  Coincidence is no proof of causation.
  Oh so you're actually naive enough to believe this is coincidence? I was joking earlier but you really believe it LOL.
  
  You can use your dozen wired headphones you already have with a $10 usb-c -> 3.5mm adapter.
  
  Tried that. Gets lost real fast. But thanks "freedom advocate".
  
  Tried taking better care of your things? I’ve still got mine that came with my pixel 3 and my iPhone 11 Pro.
  
  Okay so now this is my fault. Do you know how many adapters I lost before I needed one?
  
  Yes, losing your things is your fault lol
  
  Is it my fault when having the things in the first place is just a hacky workaround driven by corporate greed?
  
  Yes, it is your fault for losing or breaking your own property. Take some responsibility. When I moved to a phone without a headphone jack while driving a car that I plug my phone in via headphone jack, I simply kept the adapter plugged in to the cable in the car. It never broke. It never got lost. It stayed there until I got a Bluetooth head unit.
  I’ve still got it in a drawer ready for if I ever needed it again, but since I’m not an audiophile with a $10k+ sound system listening to FLACs from my phone I don’t need it.
  
  Yes if they've lasted decades thats their job done. Now people are buying usb C headphones and there is no need to continue to support decades old standards. The ewaste from a pair of headphones is tiny so its not worth fretting over.
  Also BT headphones last longer than 2 years. Mine are 1st gen samsung buds and going on 5 years at this point and still hold enough charge to listen to music during my work day. If im going to be using them all day I have 1 in and 1 charging in the case and then I can easily have music for 10+ hours on a 5 year old device. If I threw them away today I would consider them to have not been ewaste.
  
  Yes if they've lasted decades thats their job done
  No it means they'll essentially last indefinitely, unlike BT buds.
  Now people are buying usb C headphones and there is no need to continue to support decades old standards
  No, what's happened is that we went from a single open standard for audio jacks to competing standards (actually 3 of them before the EU stepped in and forced Apple to quit their bullshit). And gained nothing in the process.
  The ewaste from a pair of headphones is tiny so its not worth fretting over.
  It's not a pair of headphones, it's millions of audio devices.
- how else are you supposed to connect it to cars that weren't made yesterday?
  
  Cars have had bluetooth and usb on their radios for almost 20 years. Even older than that you can replace the stereo for like $30. My car is 2004 and i did a stereo replacement and i've got bluetooth, usb C and aux.

I was just hoping a phone like fairphone would give me the option to buy a small module or something to let me do it.

Yes, yes there's adapters .... yes, yes, you don't need to use it ... I understand. I just want it.

You'd ultimately be sacrificing battery size for that Aux jack you hardly use. For most that's not worth it
- Not really, no. There are even people that have been able to ADD a headphone jack to iphones that don't have one.
- I mean ... you don't have to tell me that my opinion isn't popular, it's demonstrable. My opinion is statistically insignificant.
  There's a plethora of other things I'd give up like have a slighter bigger phone or a worse camera or wireless charging... I'd also trade those for an SD card slot but no one agrees with me and it's just something I need to live with.

"Modularity" but still no headphone jack, couldn't I just have a backplate with a big bump on it to accommodate a 3.5mm jack?

Big? The headphone jack is not large enough to protrude from a cell phone chassis. Any company telling you they can't fit it is just lying to sell you BT headphones.
- What about the internal connectors of the headphone jack?
  
  What about em?
  
  I’m assuming they are removing the headphone jack cause the internal components take up too much space. I can’t imagine these companies removing the jacks cause they cost too much money.
  
  You're vastly overestimating the space required for a 3.5mm jack, and the reasons for its removal.
  The jack takes up some internal space, but not much at all. The components required internally like the DAC chip are insignificant. It is a potential source of water ingress, but that can be mitigated and has been done many times before.
  The reason for removal is two fold, first you simply don't have to deal with any of the above, so from an engineering perspective it's always easier to not do something. The second, and most important, **is to sell wireless headphones. **
  You'll notice that Fairphone came out with their own earbuds at the same time they removed the headphone jack. You could of course use Bluetooth headphones with the Fairphone 1, 2, and 3, but you weren't forced to think about it and could just use your existing headphones. Removing the jack ads inconvenience and breaks user habit, causing people to re-evaluate their headphones and consider a new purchase, which the manufacturer just happens to have and likely in a bundle deal.
  Apple, Google, and Samsung have seen huge uplift in earbud sales with the removal of the jack. So the anger of some power users is of no consequence to them. Seeing Fairphone follow in this behaviour what's disappointing.
  
  I made the mistake of believing that Fairphone is an enthusiast company, like the Framework of phones maybe. There is some overlap, sure, with the repair-ability aspect and available parts and schematics, but that's about it.
  Other than that, FP wants to be a mainstream brand, the eco-friendly Samsung or Apple; the power users can get shafted with their audio jacks for all they care. While Framework has actual hardware modularity and release updated HW modules so you don't buy the whole device again for an upgrade.
  Looking at FP's financial statements, I get the impression they aren't doing too hot lately, so I get it if they need bigger margins to continue operating. Just don't be a fucking hypocrite and lie about the reason of the jack removal ffs.

I never use wired headphones even though I have a jack in my phone. But I have never bought a phone without a jack and probably never will.

Ipersonally think it's user hostile to remove the jack and also goes directly agains the green profile Fairphone wants to have.

Honestly feels criminal with how bloated companies have made these phones yet they cheap out on a headphone jack.

You have these usb-c to mini jack adapters. They are like 5 to 10eu. They are small enough to keep them attached to your jack headphone. It works perfectly for me.

I think it is better to view the usb-c plug as 'one protocol to rule them all'. If you do so, it makes quite some sense.

Every adapter I had was broken after a year or less. I imagine if you keep them attached to your phone, they'll break even faster. Do these adapters exist with a 90° angle which might help preventing broken cables?
Not really in the spirit of reducing waste.
I've never had one of those actually work...
- The sound quality on them blows no matter which you get.

Probably not a popular thing to say on here, but I think you’ve lost the battle for the earphone jack. It probably just requires way too much real estate to be practical on a modern day cell phone.

It absolutely does not require too much space. And you can still buy phones with headphone jacks, just not any of the (ironically) higher end models because OEMs know they can push their first party bluetooth headphones to these customers.
It absolutely does not. That's just the stupid propaganda companies distribute to make people buy wireless earbuds.
Exactly this, that's a lot of space taken up to connect what 4 analog wires?
That's insanity when a AUX to Usb-C converter does the job
- USB-C requires a lot of space for charging, data transfer etc.
  Let's remove it too and make phones rely on wireless charging instead.

For the amount of space a earphone jack takes it really doesn't make sense for them to include it, when you can just use a cheap adaptor cable

"For the amount of space it takes to include a second speaker or second camera it doesn't really make sense when you can just plug in an external one"
You sound like an idiot.
I can buy a phone from HMD that's more repairable, more modular, and has sustainable features.
Fairphone has been a busted flush since they ditched the headphone jack. It's just the most obvious sign amongst many they started making landfill phones.
- Resorting to insults really?
  3.5mm Aux takes up a shit load of space to connect 4 analog wires. If a phone has Aux it should at the very least be 2.5mm.
  It makes no sense to me why you can't just use an adapter.
  More battery > Redundant analog cable most people don't use anyway.
  I might be a idiot as you say, but the people at Fairphone don't seem to be because they ditched AUX as they should have
  
  Still an idiot.
  
  Having yet another thing to keep charged
  a usb port is far easier to break
  I hate earbuds, I want my same old over the ear $15 sony headphones that last for years
  BT is just another thing to fuss with for no apparent benefit, I have an assortment of BT crap that won't connect consistently.
  Whatever convenience BT might offer is negated by the time wasted learning the intricacies of the ever changing APPs [software]
just make the phone larger and fill the empty space with battery

Honestly, I don't really get the people who complain about the lack of 3.5mm jack on a smartphone. If you're looking for quality you're more likely to get better quality out quality USB-C headphones than quality 3.5mm headphones due to the USB-C headphones picking up less noise and having its own DAC (which is probably better than the phone DAC that 3.5mm would use).

EDIT: I would've been surprised if this take wasn't controversial. But I guess it's a good example how the fediverse is not a leftist echo chamber. You have a loud minority complaining about not being able to use a century old technology that the vast majority in the mobile space has moved away from and any compromise on what you want is unacceptable. That's about as conservative as you can get.

You are completely and utterly wrong. I'm pretty sure that a $700 phone's dac is better than what you can find on a $5 dongle from god knows where. Also, by design there should be no "noise" or "interference" causing issues with the internal dac. If there is, you bought an extremely shitty device.
- You know you've got not argument when you have to compare a $700 dollar phone to a $5 dongle for your argument to even make sense.
  First of all, I seriously doubt any $700 phone without a 3.5mm port is going to have a decent DAC, because there's no reason for it. In those phones the DAC is used primarily for phone calls. If those phones had a a 3.5mm port and they were flagship phones then maybe they would have higher quality DACs in them, but then they'd also cost more. And secondly, I wasn't talking about some cheap $5 dongle, I specifically said quality headphones.
  
  You know you’ve got not argument when you have to compare a $700 dollar phone to a $5 dongle for your argument to even make sense.
  Oh, so I should buy $100 dongles then? lol Everyone's argument about the dongles is that they're super cheap, that's why I made the comparison.
  In those phones the DAC is used primarily for phone calls.
  Oh really? And how exactly do you think that the phone is generating the audio that comes through its speaker when you're doing anything else? Like listening to music, videos, etc? Does your phone really not make a single sound apart from the audio in phone calls?
  I wasn’t talking about some cheap $5 dongle, I specifically said quality headphones
  headphone =/= dongle
  The dongle is what you connect TO the headphone. Regardless, be more specific then. What's the one you recommend? Should I buy $50 dongles then and keep them attached to my headphones? Since I use 4/5 of them does that mean that it's ok in your opinion that I now need to spend $250 in dongles instead of just having a tiny, cheap, reliable jack on my $700 phone?
  
  How much more specific do I need to be when I explicitly say "USB-C headphones"? What do you think USB-C stands for?
  You could've done a single web search yo find that you can buy wired headphones that go straight into the USB-C port.No dongle required. But you're too busy foaming from the mouth like a rabid dog to even understand what I said.
  
  Well, you do need to be specific because like 99% of headphones terminate in a 3.5mm jack or a quarter inch jack. You were referring to a vert very limited subset of headphones.
  It's honestly kinda dumb to buy a headphone, which only needs an analogue voltage signal to work, that terminates in usb-c. Specially considering that there are still loads of devices that don't have that port. Even if a computer has it, it's likely that it only has 1 or 2 of them which might already be in use. For example, my work laptop has 2 usb-c and I'm using one of them to charge it and the other to connect a monitor.
What about the simplicity?
- I don't follow? If you mean simplicity in terms of ease of use you might as well use BT headphones as you don't have to worry about any wire management. Ease of use is the main reason BT headphones are the go to for most people. No carefully packing the wires so it won't break, no accidental wiring mess or anything wire related. You just turn them on (which for most in-ear ones just means taking them out of the case), stick them to your ear and you're good to go.
  If you meant anything else by simplicity you need to expand that idea.
  
  I never have to charge my wired headphones.
  Nor do I have to buy new batteries or new headphones when they die.
  
  Fair enough, feel free to buy USB-C headphones then.
  Edit: Time for the real reply.
  I never have to charge my wired headphone.
  But you still have to charge your phone. When I charge my phone I also charge my headphones. Most wireless headphones notify you in advance when they're running low, in my experience enough in advance to not run out before charging again. And finally, charging even once a day is still less overhead than having to manage wires every single time you use the headphones.
  Nor do I have to buy new batteries or new headphones when they die
  Yeah, you only buy new headphones when the wire gets damaged because that one time you didn't take good enough care of the wire. I personally had to buy a new set of headphones every year because I'm bad with wires. I'd either store them poorly because I was in a hurry or they'd get stuck on something and get yanked. My first BT headphones lasted me 5 years before starting to have noticeable battery issues and then I still used them for another 3 years before the battery was so dead it wouldn't live my daily commute.
  overall my response boils down to "just use wired then" because the arguments are silly personal preference arguments and the wider consumer market has already decided that wireless is better. But if you want wired nothing is stopping you from getting USB-C wired headphones.
  
  No consumer decided it would be better without it, there's literally no reason to defend it's removal. It doesn't exist because the phone companies wanted to sell their wireless earbuds, that's it. Anything else they tell you is bullshit.
  Why are you trying to justify not having it? You can still use your wireless buds if you want if the port exists, you can still use your USB-C earphones or adapter if you'd like. It can exist in harmony along with other features, like it did for decades before capitalism called for more profits.
  
  Why aren't you complaining about the removal of a keyboard? Or the removal of SD card slots? Or the removal or the IR light? Or the notification light? or something else that used to be there but isn't now. Why is the 3.5mm port so special it deserves constant complaining about almost A DECADE LATER? Why must you be these grumpy old men who can't fucking move on with the times.
  I don't really care if the port is there or not, I'm just fed up with the constant whining about it. It's gone, the ship has sailed. The majority are more than happy to use wireless headphones, 3.5mm is a niche in the mobile space. There are alternatives if you really like wired headphones. What makes 3.5mm such fucking hill to die on? Nothing. It's just petty conservatism of people unwilling to move on with the times.
  
  the 3.5mm jack still exists on low to mid-range phones, the high end ones were the only ones that removed it and then mid-range phones copied it.
  
  In addition to @timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works: I don't need pairing, I don't have to deal with bad reception, it's harder to loose wired ones and even if I loose them, new ones cost a fraction of bt ones. Also I still have some wired ones. The simplicity of simply plugging them in and it just works is something really abstract to alternatives.
  
  Okay? Literally nothing you said applies to USB-C headphones. Except for this part:
  The simplicity of simply plugging them in and it just works is something really abstract to alternatives.
  
  What about the price is simultaneous charging?
  
  How often do you charge your phone and listen to music at the same time? And is that really something you cannot compromise on?
  
  One example - I charge it when using it for navigation in the car while at the same time listening to music.
  
  You have headphones on in your car, listening to music, while you're driving? I hope you've checked your local laws because that is illegal in quite a few countries. It's also a very niche example as most people would use the car stereo instead of headphones.
  
  C'mon, this is getting childish. No, I don't have headphones while driving, I have an audio input to the car's stereo.