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Does it count twice if I raise them both?

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Things would still be shit if Democrats were in power instead, just a bit less so. It's not like everything was rosy under the very recent Biden administration. The two party duopoly needs to be dismantled and it should be a matter of priority for Americans.
- Oh I must have missed when Biden sold off public lands, sent masked thugs all over the country to lock up American citizens and anyone with a darker complexion away in concentration camps, gutted consumer protection, corporate oversight, environmental oversight, and every other agency that works for the people and not him, fired everyone in government not loyal to him, and sold of our national secrets to Russia. Must I go on because I have a whole notepad dedicated to keeping track of this shit. You cannot in good faith argue what you're arguing. You're just further pushing the Russian narrative meant to keep us so divided we can't progress. The Dems are by no means perfect but it's like comparing an apple with a few brown spots to a truck tire. I'd rather eat the apple.
  
  I had one of these running "is it both sides?" notes during the first term and my bullet points all seems so quaint now. "Gutting the state department and straining relationships with allies, praising dictators, threatening the press" hahaha..haaa fml
  
  Yet he and his successor failed to stop the most dangerous president in US history getting elected a second time. It's quite spectacular, really. The next president will be a Republican as well if the Democrats don't get their act together. It's always everyone else's fault but their own.
  
  So whatever Trump does is Biden's fault? Wow the Republicans have really successfully brainwashed the masses quite spectacularly.
  
  No, but he and by extension the DNC made a catalogue of avoidable errors that allowed Trump to win a second term. They're not responsible for Trump's madness, but they sure have to share a large portion of the blame for failing to read the situation. Trump was able to unify batshit insane conservatives far more effectively than Biden and Harris were able to unify liberals and progressives. Not enough people turned out for them.
  
  You're right, that makes them just as bad 🙄
  
  At no point did I say that. And you accuse me of bad faith. In any case, being better than Trump is not an effective campaign strategy in the real world. Not enough people turned out to support the Dems, and they need to ask themselves why.
  
  Democrats lost the working class, and no party can win without them. They need to ask themselves why, but that takes self-reflection. They would rather point and scream like babies, 'orange man bad!' Look at the democrats today, mostly neo-liberals, with no message, no solutions, no rage against the war, absolutely no policies to draw the working class back, dead in the water. Not even a prospect for leadership, except Klobuchar, Buttigieg and Newsom. You think they are going to wow the working class back to vote democrat?
  
  You said things would be just as bad if Biden was president. That is a bad faith argument. I rebut it so you continually move the goalpost. That is arguing in bad faith. I'm fucking tired of this both sides are bad bullshit while we're living under a christo-fascist dictatorship. We don't need perfect, we need better. Voters continually take in this Russian right wing propaganda that says if Dems aren't perfect then don't vote for them, and all it gets us is further and further to the right. Go talk to a wall, I don't care to hear any more of this drivel.
  
  bombs children backs a genocide backs down on the majority of their promises screws over the working class bails out the rich runs torture programs
  "...if Dems aren't perfect..."
  I think you might have a skewed understanding of the word "perfect"
  
  Love that logic.
  no one stopped the murder i guess its law enforcement fault. Its just the murderer nature after all. Better blame them instead of the person murdering ppl.
- A bit?
- I agree. Trump is just a symptom of the problem. People didn't like Biden. They just didn't want Trump. With the wealth gap widening and the national debt interest costing more than our defense budget, there is no way our path was sustainable. It's one thing Elon said I agree with. I just wish we could have dealt with our shit without half the country being kneejerk about it and deciding they would just rather hate and alienate everyone while we deal with the natural consequences of our inevitably collapsing system. The collapse was coming regardless, but they needed everyones racist anger and inferiority complexes to accelerate it.
- Tell all the American citizens and legal residents that are being abducted and deported without due process that Democrats would only be a bit better.

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