About 1 in 4 U.S. adults worry they or someone close to them could be deported
About four-in-ten immigrants (43%) say they worry a lot or some, up from 33% in March.
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But fuck all if they could be bothered to vote…
Pew’s latest study suggests that Trump would have won even if they all voted.
Mostly because the majority of Americans seem to be OK with face eating leopards.
I mean he says that, but surely he doesn't mean me..?
America is NOT a progressive country.
In general, the people ARE actually pretty progressive (as evidenced byprogressive policies tending to be favored by overwhelming majorities when not attached to the name of someone the establishment has spent millions if not billions vilifying).
The main problem is that the political system has fallen so deep into corruption that it's a representative democracy in name only.
It's way past time for rebellion against not just the fascists, but also the system itself and the Democrats who consider it more important than the general welfare of the people.
"the people are progressive"
Said about a country that voted for trump, twice. And every corporate democrat in every primary.
National elections are won by the over representation of land versus people and the winner-take-all electoral college.
It's a very broken system but it's the one we have. So yes, the people are progressive but land and the electoral college wins elections.
Trump won the electoral college twice, but the second one also the popular vote.
Both of those times were through an antiquated and unrepresentative system and with less than 50% the vote with low voter participation.
Less than a third of the eligible to vote population ≠ the country.
Well-meaning people pretending/being fooled into honestly believing that the presidential elections accurately reflect the will of the people without any trickery and downright fraud is how the corrupt demagoguery is allowed to persist.
Even less wanted something different, so that won.
No. Once again your blind trust in institutions leads you astray.
There are tens of millions of Americans for whom voting is made extremely difficult and time-consuming if not downright impossible to do by deliberate voter suppression tactics from (mostly but not exclusively) Republicans.
If there had been free, open, and fair elections, the GOP would never be able to win a nationwide election.
You don't fix the system by assuming that it works as officially intended and blaming the powerless for the outcomes created by the powerful and corrupt.
You don't need to walk uphill for 20 miles in the snow to vote. You need to check a website anytime in the months before the election and then stand in line for a while. As the worse case, because sometimes you can vote early or per Mail.
Revolution sounds exhausting. Blaming voters means I can simply wait for other people to change by learning the right lessons even though they never seem to.
Revolution sounds exhausting
It is. But at some point, the tank fills and continuing to bend over backwards to survive the boring dystopia becomes even MORE exhausting.
Whether we're there yet is debatable, but more and more people seem to think so.
(I can tell from the rest of your comment that you were being facetious if not downright snarky, but figured I'd take the opportunity to share my musings anyway 😁)
That is a good point, and I think the difficult part is the initial change. Once you connect to a revolutionary/vanguard community with it's own cultural riches on the other end then it is as you say, the less exhausting option.
Exactly
This is why it's so important to have Democratic politicians who actually stand for something.
I see so many people trapped in a state of denial about elections. They hold desperately to the idea that Democrats can somehow magically win simply by not being Republicans. That doesn't work, hasn't worked, and will never work. The problem with this standard is that it encourages Democrats to be only a tiny little bit better than the fascists, making the election fascist vs. fascist lite, so of course tons of people stay home.
But people like yelling at voters instead of the powerful politicians; it's always easier to punch down than punch up. Republicans scapegoat minorities, Democrats scapegoat their voters. Democrats nominate fascist-lite candidates election after election and then bitch at the voters for not bothering to vote.
But denial apparently is a river in Egypt, so people will continue to blame voters instead of the fascist-lite Democrats.
butt fuck all!
Harris won more votes than Obama. Didn't save her or the rest of the country.
Also, and this cannot fail to bare mentioning, Harris and Biden both campaigned on a policy of mass deportation. Dems are still bragging that they deported more people than Trump. Mass deportation is a bipartisan policy.
I have never seen a dem advertisement based on deportation.
To say “both sides” campaigned on a policy of mass deportation is a straight up lie. Mass deportation isn’t bi-partisan as you say… with zero proof no links and nothing to back up your bs… you offer no proof and are therefor a liar.
I have never seen a dem advertisement based on deportation.
Colin Allred made it the center of his Senate campaign against Ted Cruz.
To say “both sides” campaigned on a policy of mass deportation is a straight up lie.
Bragged about "the toughest border bill in decades" and promised to hire "thousands of new border guards".
How is more border guards equal to "more deportations"?
More manpower makes for more arrests, more rapid processing of migrants, and more physical removals abroad.
Particularly when agents are given quotas to hit that exceed the number of migrants available for capture. We've seen how this played out under Greg Abbott in Texas during Operation Lone Star, a state that received $12B in federal reimbursements for the gruesome work done in 2022.
In what world is advocating for border security akin to rendering folks by masked individuals and trafficking them to foreign countries without due process…?
What democrat has ever advocated for ice to do what they’re currently doing?
Pointing to how democrats advocating that strengthening our border doesn’t require kidnapping…
Well you don’t really have a point do you?
It's like saying the Republicans are right that you should be scared of immigrants and then being surprised when people vote out of fear for the person who will hurt those immigrants more. They didn't campaign on mass deportation as one has claimed, but they did justify people's fears of immigrants.
They don’t campaign on that?
“They’re eating the dogs and your cats…”
“There is a mass horde attacking our border…”
Republicans did. They did more or less make an enemy of immigrants, shape them into an “other” and now we’re starting to see citizens getting treated like immigrants and citizenship being eroded all while you say “well maybe dems don’t literally campaign on X…”
In what world is advocating for border security
They weren't advocating for security. They were advocating for more cops, more arrests, and more deportations.
Pointing to how democrats advocating that strengthening our border
Nothing either party has done has made the border more "secure". The fact that you bought into this false narrative illustrates the damage the liberals have done. They've sold you the same bill of goods as the Republicans, in slightly different wrapping.
We’re at a point where we can’t say how secure or insecure the border is. Saying dems haven’t secured anything is a meaningless statement while republicans state immigrant hordes are eating dogs and cats…
Meanwhile democrats recognize the absurdity of painting immigrants with that brush while trying to be sensible with border policy given the line being fed to you folks about eating dogs all while you say any border action on behalf of dems is akin to masked ice agents trafficking mothers in broad daylight…
All of this is you letting trump dictate terms
Biden holds the record as vice president for deportations during an administration
I didn't realize that the Vice President was in charge of deportations.... Oh wait.
VP doesn't do shit.
A hypothetical Kamala administration can be seen as a direct continuation of Biden's, as she herself said that she would do nothing different than Biden.
well Trump is worried about beating the record according to some
Merely deporting someone isn’t so terrible an act. Hell Cheech and Chong had a joke about calling immigration on themselves whenever there was a wedding back in Mexico cause it got them a free ride and sandwich.
This shit is different.
It's different, but only in terms of vibes.
Operating on “vibes” is you saying you don’t care.
“In terms of vibes” equals “however I feel”… so if you don’t feel like being an adult… then cool no vibes or mojo should make you feel icky…
You missed the point. The point is Democrats and Republicans have both been massively against immigration and been pro-deportation. You are confusing vibes for real policy. Republicans and Democrats are both pro-mass deportation. Republicans are just a lot more performatively cruel about it. These are the vibes I'm referring to. People like you confuse vibes for actual policy and convince yourselves that Republicans have massively changed the immigration situation relative to Biden.
I’m thinking back of experiencing decades of democrats in office… democrats have never been against immigrants like you characterize them to be. Tell me how Obama did this. Republicans are no where near current or past democrats no matter how desperate you are to paint them with the same brush. You are painting a false picture.
Reality bears that this shit has never been needed. Democrats have never done what is happening now and you painting it as the same or a matter of “vibes” is white -washing REAL problems.
You have missed the point of history in an effort to make your “vibes” a thing… why are you so desperate to tell everyone that dems did shit they never have, all while republicans are doing that very thing right now?
Republicans are a lot ruder, cruder, and more lawless about their deportations. They want people afraid while they're conducting their mass deportations. In contrast, Democrats want you to feel they love immigrants...while they conduct the same mass deportations.
It is just a vibes things. The numbers speak for themselves.
So that’s a picture, not a source… and more importantly are you implying that a green line equals number of masked randos kidnapping people?
Or does that line equal deportations which isn’t necessarily a terrible thing.
Does that green line represent in fact a better policing of the border which was then denied by conservatives in an effort to now kidnap people by masked randos?
Any Democrat? How about Kamala herself. Do you not remember Kamala's "do not come" speech?
Do you remember the time she mentioned an immigrant horde coming to eat your dogs and cats?
Remember when as VP she directed ICE to render folks unconstitutionally and under masks?
I don’t cause you’re full of shit
You're full of shit with your "when she was VP" loaded question.
What role does a VP have over ICE?
How is anything I said “loaded”?
You're setting up a clearly misleading and manipulative standard so you can play some horseshit "gotcha" based on a technicality. Obviously the VP doesn't control immigration, but who the fuck cares and why would you make that your standard? Kamala was running for president, and she promised to run her administration exactly like Biden's. We have to judge Kamala by Biden's performance, as she promised to continue his policies.
But here you are trying to defend her on a technicality, saying, "nu huh, acktually, she wasn't in charge of immigration, she was only the VP!"
Manipulative petty bullshit. It's transparently bad faith.
I’m not setting anything up. You’re just clearly not supporting anything. And Biden or Harris’ admin never treated immigrants like this ever.
Oh fuck right off.
Sorry, but I have to call you out on this. This "fuck right off" attitude is exactly why Democrats lose elections. You know how people call Democrats smug and out of touch? It's because of this right here.
People hate Democrats when they're smug assholes. Democrats do generally have better policy positions than Republicans. But many Democrats take this way too far, adopting a sports team attitude of their side being always right.
OP rightfully pointed out that Democrats are just as onboard with mass deportation as Republicans. Trump is currently using the mass ICE infrastructure that Biden helped build up to new heights. On immigration, both parties are extremely right wing. This is an absolute, indisputably true fact. But you then have the arrogance to tell someone pointing this out to "fuck right off."
This is why democrats lose elections. This is the smugness people hate. Many liberals view politics as a sports team and refuse to accept the failures of their own team. And on immigration, Democrats are only a tiny iota better than Republicans.
Quit being such a smug asshole. It only hurts your cause. (Assuming you're actually a Democrat and not just a Republican trying to make liberals look bad.)
Bullshit and just stopped.
You could argue they campaigned on being tough on immigration, but deportation instead of path to citizenship where possible is the difference.
That is part of the outrage: Biden granted asylum, biden laid out a framework to get to citizenship, and trumps taking that away, arresting at court hearings of people who had been given a chance.
I am not a fan of biden, but what you are saying is bullshit and a major distraction.
