If you had to live the rest of your life in single or triple digit temperatures F° (-13 or 38 C°)which would you choose?
Freedom degrees. Roughly -13° or 38° if you live in the sane parts of the world.
I’d pick triple digits, mostly because I’ve lived in places that routinely hit 100° in the summer, and I hate shoveling snow.
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Triple. No hesitation.
First off, coats are heavy and stupid. Breezy linens all day every day.
What food you going to grow in below freezing temps? Millet, sorghum, rice, grapes, tomatoes, onions, garlic -- all already grow in triple digit temps. I'm eating well.
Natural evaporative cooling is easier to achieve than burning slow-growing resources for heat daily. Millennia-old technology exists to handle high temps.
More people live in the Sahara than the Arctic. I'm not a penguin, no matter what the other kids said in school.
Coats are TOTALLY heavy and stupid.
Ya you’ll just run out of water eventually. You can also grow food in heated greenhouses in Iceland they used to grow bananas. Both suck
Ever heard of a well?
Ever heard of ground water not being an unlimited resource, that’s currently the problem in lots of places thanks to climate change and poor water management. I live in a place that used to have loads of springs in the forrest and we had a well that used to never dry up all of that is happening now. Not to mention all the insane parasites and deadly tropical diseases you’d have to contend with that still plague most of the developing world that have to live in tropical places.
Yes. I've lived in West Africa for about 7 years total. I've seen plenty of 50m deep wells pulled by hand go dry or collapse. People collecting water from puddles after a rain, rather than walk a mile to the well.
The old guys in Mali and Niger talk about being kids, roaming forests and keeping hyenas from eating the goats. One village I knew was named "it's an elephant." It's all gone now. It's been gone for 30 years. The elephants, the hyenas, the forests north of 13 degrees N, are mostly gone.
But some trees are still there, all the way into the Sahara. There are oasies and seasonal lakes with fish and wells and crops. Herders graze goats and donkeys in narrow bands far into the Sahara.
Im not saying it's great, but im not saying it's absolute devastation and hell on earth. I'd rather be there than some isolated community in Alaska or Siberia.
That’s really cool. I think both of the scenarios would be hell on earth, one describes what would happen with run away climate change the other describes a nuclear winter. I haven’t been to Alaska or Siberia but from the stupid documentaries I’ve seen people live happily up there, I watched one about some Russian Inuits who were reindeer herders. The kids went to school in the city but they would willingly return to their grandparents and parents and also said they wanted to continue being reindeer herders after they finished school. So people willingly choose that lifestyle. Anyways doing the kind of work that industrial society requires in 30+ degree temperatures is fucking hell, and seeing how our societies are run you know the psychotic bourgeoise are going to force you to keep working anyways. With the way the climates going we are going to be living in that 35 degree world, so ya don’t need to imagine the hypothetical you can just stick around for another 30 years.
Well, up until only a generation or two ago, no one born into those paces actually did have a choice to stay or not. It's not easy to leave a family support network, especially in a niche environment.
That being said, living in the desert, I saw tons of Midwestern tourists that underestimated it, and quickly got into basic trouble that I learned to avoid as a child. Bit, the people that were always cool and always prepared to deal with a harsh environment were the people that had spent time in Alaska. Spend time in an extreme place, and you learn to respect any extreme place, and be perfectly fine.
And the extreme cold option is always an option on the table. Not nuclear winter, but one bad volcanic eruption can affect large parts of the globe. Just ask folks in 1816, when an eruption in Indonesia led to a year with literally no summer in most of the northern hemisphere. Totally brutal famine in Europe, as one could also expect from AMOC collapse.
True it needn’t be nuclear winter, I know about the volcanic eruption the bike was invented because of it apparently because so many horses died. Thanks for reminding me that the AMOC may collapse in my life time and I’ll probably starve :).
TBH I’d rather stay in my village with my family than be proletarianised and be forced to work in a big city and live in a slum with all the vice that comes along with it, but capitalism is a removed.
What kind of crops are you going to grow at 125°? That's still within OP's specification of triple digits and with temps getting hotter we're likely to see a lot more of this happening within our lifetime.
That's when you dry out the stuff you grew when it was only 100°F
Also, Millet, sorghum, cow peas, pigeon peas, cactus, okra, and sweet potatoes are the crops that already grow in the Sahel, where it's usually right around triple digits. People live like this right now. They have for generations.