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  • I mean, that's true.

    5e sucks and you should play a different system ;)

    • I'm just straight up tired of this shit on a massive level. It's pure arrogance and I'm over seeing it.

      I don't find it funny. I find it monumentally irritating to have someone pretend their opinion is fact. I'm just done with it.

      • Hey, sorry that didn't hit right.

        Since the post was in a meme community, I didn't take the post as a serious complaint. Memes bring out jokes, that's part of the point of them. I intended it as a form of commiseration with a bit of tongue in cheek playfulness. If I'd known you were making a real complaint rather than playing with a trope for laughs, I would have made a totally different comment.

        So, here's what I would have said if I had known you were experiencing distress over the issue.

        I get it. Back when 3.x was a thing, the old ad&d diehards made the same kind of statements. Now, 5e devotees make the same kind of statements about 3.x, and even ad&d, as well as the ongoing new version coming out. It's a fairly universal thing.

        When it's said in a lighthearted, unserious way, it can even help bridge players and DMs that are more entrenched with one version or another because it acknowledges that there's not always compatibility between versions, making play groups harder to arrange since very few people really enjoy learning a new system to play what is (at its core) the same game.

        Me and my kid make the same joke to each other, both of us aware that we have played both systems and have a different preference. Me and the DM of my kid's group talk shit about our preferred versions too. And we piss and moan about the difficulties of running games with players that are most familiar with one edition and having trouble adapting years of play experience in one to a different one.

        Like, I've got over a grand in 3.x books. At least that, maybe more, I lost track. So I'm not going to pony up a dime to get the equivalent library in 5e, or any future editions. But I've had players from 5e, and ad&d in my games (though I haven't DMed in years at this point). There's always a learning curve to a different edition. It places an artificial barrier of entry to the underlying game. So most people will commit to one version and stick with it.

        When they do try others, what they see is changes that are a pain in the ass for fairly minor benefits, along with one or two great ideas. Us 3.x folks look at bounded accuracy, or advantage/disadvantage and drool a little, but there's no way we'd switch just for that when the rest of the edition is just different, not better. 5e folks look at the 3.x prestige classes and how easy they are to home brew and really make a unique character but look at all the imbalances in the base classes and nope the fuck out

        And don't even ask about how newer players stare blankly at you while you try to explain thac0. Or how a black hole of despair forms and sucks your brain in trying to explain a truly awkward and counterintuitive system like thac0 in the first place.

        There's no such thing as a perfect system. They're all approximations of fantasy settings (I'm talking about standard d&d here, but there's no perfect system in other types of games either), and approximations simply can't fit every situation every time.

        So, when some asshole is being serious about "your edition sucks, play a better one", fuck them. It's bullshit, and if they don't know it, they're going to be a shitty player or DM anyway. They're not worth the time and effort. But the rest of us kinda have the shorthand of the trope as a way to say "the problem exists, but we can't fix it". You either put the effort in to learn the details of each edition, or you stick to the one you like best and deal with having more trouble finding stable groups.

        No bullshit Stamets, my entire goal was to join in on what I thought was your joke along that same line. I thought you were poking fun at the trope of it, and that's what I was doing. The little winky face ;) didn't do enough to convey that, or maybe your stress over the subject meant nothing would have conveyed the intent of shared recognition of how silly it all is to edition snob. But it definitely failed to convey the intent, no matter why it failed.

        Sorry about that. They can't all be winners ¯(ツ)_/¯ but I swear it was meant to be something we'd both have a chuckle over.

        • And I'm sorry that I wasn't clear. At first I missed the emoticon before catching it after. I should have been more clear my frustration was at the concept you were also poking fun at, not at you yourself. I was just waking up and the frustration I have for that line of thinking took full force there, the jokey lines in my head just didn't materialize.

          I'm just supremely tired of seeing the people who actually do it, full throated. Doesn't even matter if it's dnd, just stuff in general. Like it seems to be harder and harder to find a conversation about the alternative of something that isn't just "This sucks so mine is better."

          Sorry. I need to actually wake up before getting on lemmy, not looking at it from the toilet first thing. That's on me

          • No worries man, we all have days like that. I certainly do!

            I'm the same way with food snobbery tbh. I see even jokes about it, and it just gets under my skin, even when I am fully awake and can tell it's a joke. There's that flash of "this motherfucker" before I exert control of my brain. So I totally get it.

            I'm just sorry I picked a bad joke to try. Like I said, they can't all be winners, but looking back at it, it was a lame attempt.

            • Nah dude. You have literally nothing to apologize for. It's all on me for not thinking first and not even waking up first before commenting. I can be bitchy as hell before all the gears are grinding properly and I definitely didn't hold the leash on that one.

              Don't apologize. It's all on me. I'm sorry buddy.

              • You sound like me!

                We have a household rule: don't talk to south until he's awake. How can you tell he's awake? Has he been moving for at least an hour? If yes, then he may be awake, but there's no promises. If not, then treat him like you would a manbearpig freshly out of hibernation.

                The grunts and croaks that pass as communication from me that first bit are a passable caveman shtick.

                • Not too dissimilar here. Roommate has learned to avoid me at all costs until my tone of voice doesn't sound like a serial killer. I thought a cpap machine would help with that part of my sleep habits too. It did not.

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