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So just like any extreme narcissist?
- There's one in specific I think you know is being referred to. And not the one in the photo, one that is, unfortunately, alive today.
  
  I actually thought of Musk first but Trump or Putin or any other dictator probably also fits. Generally most high level politicians are probably like this, but maybe to varying degrees of severity.
  
  Is Putin considered petty?
  
  This is my answer to that question:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_notable_Russians_(2022%E2%80%932024)
  Putin really likes windows for his "suicides" apparently.
  Also the wording of "special military operation" is the peak of pettiness.
  
  You could certainly make that argument, even though this meme wasn't talking about Putin.
  https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/heres-how-vladimir-putin-stole-a-super-bowl-ring-from-the-patriots-robert-kraft/
- No, NPD is a social disability that causes great distress to the patient. Trump is not socially impaired and is not distressed by his ego, so it's not NPD.
  Here's a decent litmus test for whether someone is disabled or an asshole: if you can feel sympathy for them, can see that the whole world is against them, if you feel sorry for them and want them to be helped, it might be a disability. If they're a famous politician and billionaire with millions of fans, they're not disabled, they're an asshole.
  
  What kinda bullshit is this? "Only people i feel sympathy for can be disabled" is the dumbest take of the week.
  People can be disabled and assholes at the same time. There are lots of mentally ill people that i dont feel sympathy for, because they are also horrible people. Hitler most certainly had some level of mental disorder and so does Musk.
  You cant easily see from the outside if anyone is distressed or not so your entire line of thinking is flawed.
  
  Musk's mental disorder is autism. And if someone were looking at this here meme and saying "Yeah, that's how all autists act", we'd call that person a bigot. Because they are.
  The reason sympathy and mental disorder ought to be correlated, is because the DSM exists to identify patients in need of treatment. The purpose of a diagnosis is to help someone. To give them easier access to medical treatment. Therefore, saying Trump has NPD is helping him. You shouldn't do that, he's a nazi!
  
  If you deny reality in order to further your political strategy, you are on the way to being a fascist yourself.
  
  Reality was invented by fascist old men in Europe. Belief in reality is fundamentally fascist.
  
  Uhh.. elaborate please?
  
  Sure. We Antirealists have a manifesto at http://soulism.net
  
  I think you are being too restrictive with the concept of "distress". The description in the image is about such distress.
  Vulnerability in self-esteem makes individuals with narcissistic personality disorder very sensitive to criticism or defeat. Although they may not show it outwardly, such experiences may leave them feeling ashamed, humiliated, degraded, hollow, and empty. They may react with disdain, rage, or defiant counterattack. However, such experiences can also lead to social withdrawal or an appearance of humility that may mask and protect the grandiosity. Interpersonal relations are typically impaired because of problems related to self-preoccupation, entitlement, need for admiration, and relative disregard for the sensitivities of others. Individuals with narcissistic personality disorder can be competent and high functioning with professional and social success, while others can have various levels of functional impairment.
  Extracted from the DSM-5-TR (2022); emphases are mine. Their distress revolves around self-esteem. As you can see, NPD can manifest in different ways too.
  A person can suffer from NPD while, unrelated to it, they might hold questionable political views. Those two things are not mutually exclusive; if they were, all people with NPD would be irreproachable.
  The sad part is that they are assholes, as you put it, but perhaps in some cases we failed them helping them not become who they became.
  
  If you want to use Trump's private internal thoughts to make a diagnosis, that's the kind of intimacy you want an interview with the patient to be sure of. Of course, you want an interview with the patient for any kind of diagnosis, but it becomes even simpler when we're talking about analysing this level of detail in his internal psyche. Goldwater rule should apply double to this kind of "He acts proud but he's secretly ashamed."
  
  That's true. Even with all the evidence now available, current experts cannot diagnose A. Hitler with 100% certainty. He seemed to have some issues that remind us of narcissistic personality disorder, bipolar disorder, and obsessive-compulsive disorder, among others. We can only speculate (as with D. Trump).

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