.ml just casually suppressing any dissent (again)

Stemming from this post https://lemmy.world/post/25792088

This is why some don't see the problem with .ml, they're way more subtle. And to those I say look:

This comment was removed by a .ml mod in that thread and the user banned:

And yet, another comment from a .ml user referencing .world instead, but essentially says the same thing as @Fizz@lemmy.nzs comment is allowed to stay up just fine for hours.

Why was that not removed? Where is their ban?

Just .ml Tankie things ig

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.ml just casually suppressing any dissent (again)

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I don’t get why you guys haven’t just blocked the whole instance. It’ll save you a lot of time dealing with stupidity.
- Honestly, I consider Tankies to be a threat to the Lemmy-verse at large. I've seen it quite a few times, new user comes, sees some Tankie going off with their shit and goes "Oh, this place is just a bunch of tankies" or "oh this place is just Voat 2.0" leaves and then never comes back. Then likely ends up being one of those Redditors who comments on those reddit Lemmy threads about how "They tried it but it was just a bunch of Tankie bs"
  Sometimes they do come back, try a different instance and then realizes they just need to block them
  If the bigger instances want to take their sweet time defed'ing from them, fine, but there should at least be a visible loud objection of their crap
  
  Tankies to be a threat to the Lemmy-verse at large.
  It's just... they made Lemmy. FWIW there's powertripping moderation all over the place, but I wouldn't call them a threat. Any redditor who is turned off by a take they see on Lemmy and stays on reddit as a result is really of zero loss or concern, IMO.
  
  It’s just… they made Lemmy.
  That has to be the weakest argument for keeping tankies around that I've ever heard.
  
  Piefed and mbin exist as well.
  
  The ellipses indicated I wasn't forming a beach head with the point. It's just the 'okay we will make our own place' comic in practice, which might've been an easier and more succinct thing to post.
  
  In that case, you should be in full support of other instances defederating .ml, grad, and Hexbear.
  Wouldn't want to invade their space, right?
  Unless all of your arguments are disingenuous bullshit, wherein the values espoused change depending on whether they serve the end goal of tankie apologia.
  
  Alright I'll bite:
  This instance is already defederated from grad, which seems too eliminate the vast majority of problems as I see it. So I'd support other instance's decisions there to defederate.
  Defederating .ml seems premature and unnecessary since the issues are either users who aren't actually bound by instance, or moderation practices which is not worth defederating over. I mostly think .ml isn't a problem as an instance so federating with them helps other instances grow if people get kicked out of there. Though if .ml gets reduced to a few niche communities like lemmygrad or hexbear, then yeah, defederation wouldn't be much of an issue then.
  Hexbear users you know I think are funny, but they're so defederated up I know other instances may not even get a chance to do it. So that's just a freebie anyway.
  
  This instance is already defederated from grad, which seems too eliminate the vast majority of problems as I see it. So I’d support other instance’s decisions there to defederate.
  Wait, what problems do you see with Grad? Didn't you just say you didn't see tankies as a problem, and that anyone turned off from Lemmy by genocide denial is hilarious anyway?
  Defederating .ml seems premature and unnecessary since the issues are either users who aren’t actually bound by instance, or moderation practices which is not worth defederating over.
  Okay, I'm not in full support of defederating .ml. I get it.
  But in that case, what's the problem, exactly, you were trying to express with:
  It’s just the ‘okay we will make our own place’ comic in practice, which might’ve been an easier and more succinct thing to post.
  I mostly think .ml isn’t a problem as an instance so federating with them helps other instances grow if people get kicked out of there.
  ... how does that make sense. How does federating with .ml help other instances grow when people are kicked out of .ml? How does federating with them provide any benefit when people are kicked out of .ml? There's no federated 'transfer your account' option.
  
  federating with .ml help other instances grow when people are kicked out of .ml? How does federating with them provide any benefit when people are kicked out of .ml? There's no federated 'transfer your account' option.
  There doesn't seem to be as much or the same conflicts with .ml users in communities outside .ml versus .ml communities having overbearing mods that ban people. So the federation isn't so much the issue there. I much prefer the trend of people going to and making communities on instances where the powertrippers aren't tripping as opposed to calling for defederation. Federation with users across the largest instances is a good thing.
  Defederating means a lot of people would have to make new accounts anyway. Grad and hexbear are niche enough that defederating is closer to banning a group of users. .ml would excise a whole lot of users who aren't even the tankies of concern.
  
  There doesn’t seem to be as much or the same conflicts with .ml users in communities outside .ml versus .ml communities having overbearing mods that ban people. So the federation isn’t so much the issue there. I much prefer the trend of people going to and making communities on instances where the powertrippers aren’t tripping as opposed to calling for defederation. Federation with users across the largest instances is a good thing.
  Defederating means a lot of people would have to make new accounts anyway. Grad and hexbear are niche enough that defederating is closer to banning a group of users. .ml would excise a whole lot of users who aren’t even the tankies of concern.
  None of that actually answers the question I asked, or clarifies the point you made that I was asking about.
  
  FWIW there's powertripping moderation all over the place, but I wouldn't call them a threat.
  It's more than just the power tripping, it's the agenda pushing, the misinfo, the denials, the hostility etc. they might want to see the Fediverse grow, but in a Tankie mindset way. They are always quick to bring up how any other non-Tankie instances are "Reddit 2.0" or "just bots" or whatever else.
  Any redditor who is turned off by a take they see on Lemmy and stays on reddit as a result is really of zero loss or concern, IMO.
  Yeah, I'm 50/50 there, maybe not the best "quality" user out there, but there's also the secondary effects to consider; going back to Reddit and then every time it comes up they reply with a "It's just a bunch of tankies" can damage a reputation
  As far as who made Lemmy, Lemmy is just code, there's nothing Tankie about the code, nor is there anything left, right center or galactic. It's non-political, it's got a job "be a reddit-like link aggregator" and that's what it does, it's a tool and nothing more. It's open source so not only is there no "funding against your beliefs" concerns, all the Tankie devs could leave tomorrow and another group of people can just pick up the torch (In fact, there are a couple different Lemmy alternatives going rn, though not on feature parity with Lemmy, are coming along quick)
  
  ZombiFrancis has infinite patience for defending tankies, it's not in good faith.
  
  Infinite? Nah. I just know the default state for every most online spaces is pretty mask off right wing. As an American government worker I have 90% cop brain interactions in meatspace too.
  So the tankies, the few there are in a marginalized online space? Yeah, they don't worry me one bit. They're on par, if not almost refreshing, compared to any gaming lobby I have experienced for the last 30 years.
  So I see what appears to be an outsized reaction to a really inconsequential group of people. The idea that one of their takes scares off a redditor or anyone else closer to the default is almost comical as a concern.
  
  So the tankies, the few there are in a marginalized online space? Yeah, they don’t worry me one bit. They’re on par, if not almost refreshing, compared to any gaming lobby I have experienced for the last 30 years.
  Ah, yes, nothing quite as refreshing as apologia for genocide because [checks notes] the genocide isn't happening in your country.
  As an American, let me reassure you of how very American a reaction that is. :)
  So I see what appears to be an outsized reaction to a really inconsequential group of people. The idea that one of their takes scares off a redditor or anyone else closer to the default is almost comical as a concern.
  "It's hilarious that a site built by tankies and which has three of the major instances run by tankies who celebrate genocide might scare off anyone who isn't a genocide supporter!"
  Ha ha ha. Comical. Hilarious.
  
  People have said the same thing about neo-nazis and white supremacists in the past and look who is running the country now.
- It's more worth while to drum up support for defederation since that removes any instances who take it from being part of their userbase, and weakens the network effect they have here. Remember they're still dominating the Linux and Privacy communities on Lemmy and the discussion based fediverse in general.

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