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Communism in theory: A stateless, classless, moneyless utopia where everyone shares resources based on need. Communism in practice: Authoritarian regimes, economic inefficiency, suppression of dissent, and a state that never ‘withers away’ like Marx imagined.
Every major attempt, USSR, Maoist China, Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge, has resulted in centralized power, mass repression, and economic collapse. The problem isn’t just ‘bad leaders’; it’s that a system requiring absolute cooperation and selflessness on a societal scale is fundamentally unworkable. Human nature, resource scarcity, and the need for incentives all get in the way.
So yeah, communism sounds nice on paper, but history proves it turns into a dystopia instead of a utopia every time.
We need to stop idealizing communism because it doesn't work.
- Unchecked capitalism also leads to bad outcomes, including ecological collapse.
  We need something that isn't "a handful of people have all the power"
  
  Like decentralized socialism?
  
  Social democratic republic with heavy consumer backed regulation and woodchippers
  
  It would be important that the regulation is constantly protected. The forces of greed will constantly be trying to dismantle it, and people are kind of stupid.
  Maybe the woodchippers do some of the heavy lifting there, but you then need to make sure they don't get used for evil
  
  Totally agree. I would also say that what we have now in America is really capitalism anymore... It's something else.
- Couldn't you use that argument to disqualify most government types? I mean show me a type of government that hasn't been perverted. Does North Korea disprove all democratic republics? I mean they call themselves a democratic republic therefore they are a republic right? That's what you're using as a definition to deny communism right? Hell I don't even have to look at the worst example is there a good example of a government that hasn't been perverted?
  
  No, but objectively, some governments are far better than others. For example, I wouldn’t want to live in the Republic of the Congo or North Korea. Despite the issues we face in America, I still live a comfortable and peaceful life here, and I have no desire to leave. If I were in North Korea or China, however, I would likely be looking for a way out.
  Your comment does however provide great examples of the no true Scotsman and appeal to purity fallacies. Though I’d argue that acknowledging the flaws in all governments doesn’t mean they are all equally bad. Some are demonstrably worse than others.
- Human nature, resource scarcity, and the need for incentives all get in the way
  For now. Why not keep looking and find a way to make it work?
  
  Of course we need to continue to do this just not with Communism.
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