Nonlinear seem to think this post replying to the accusations about them will make them look like the heroes

Hidden away in the appendix:

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This is some real slimy shit. You can compare the "quotes" to Chloe's account, and see how much of a hitjob this is.

@dgerard "look, we hired this girl out of college as a bang-maid for $12k/year, it's not OUR fault she was unhappy with the arrangement, and we have texts proving she was occasionally okay with it! case closed."

Also this:

Have you ever made a social gaff? Does the idea of somebody exclusively looking for and publishing negative things about you make you feel uneasy? Terrified?

(spooky hands)

I actually played this game with some of my friends to see how easy it was. I tried to say only true things but in a way that made them look like villains. It was terrifyingly easy. Even for one of my oldest friends, who is one of the more universally-liked EAs, I could make him sound like a terrifying creep.

📸 🤨

I could do this for any EA org. I know of so many conflicts in EA that if somebody pulled a Ben Pace on, it would explode in a similar fashion.

🤔

I cannot wade through this, so I'm just scrolling around aimlessly.

About 10% of the time was doing laundry, groceries, packing, and cooking - and she has to do many of those things for herself anyways! At least this is on paid time, feels high impact, and means she’s not sitting in front of the computer all day.

Feels high impact wtf.

“First they came for one EA leader, and I did not speak out -- because I just wanted to focus on making AI go well.

Then they came for another, and I did not speak out -- because surely these are just the aftershocks of FTX, it will blow over.

Then they came for another, and I still did not speak out -- because I was afraid for my reputation if they came after me.

Then they came for me - and I have no reputation to protect anymore.”

How very tasteful, a Niemöller snowclone Godwin. Truly people who party on the beach for charity and have hot tub meetings are the most oppressed.

Maybe it was because Alice was microdosing LSD nearly every day, sleeping just a few hours a night, and has a lifelong pattern of seeing persecution everywhere.

What an insane way to talk about a former employee, much less one living with you. Pro tip for real businesses: never do this. If you're going to disparage someone like this, it's a job for your lawyer and he'd better have receipts. Also don't live with your employees and let them take acid on the job.

I love how they refer to her compensation as being ~$72K several times when only $12K was in cash.

Anyway, perfectly willing to take this as "Everybody sucks here" but they are definitely not exonerated.

Those photos at them working all over the world in exotic locations, including the FTX condos in the Bahamas... ... and still referring to themselves as "charity workers."

i wonder if they realise how thick with internal jargon their language is, and how highly ritualised.

i have not enough energy to check if that was mentioned before, but anyways it's a good reminder: the whole cozy enterprise is, indeed, not a registered tax-exempt organisation, and none of the threee nonlinears returned by the irs search engine does seem to have anything in common with the nonlinear dot org.

Some lols from the comments, the user Roko (no idea if that is that Roko) says:

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Does someone have a 100 word summary of the whole affair? 
My impression is that [bad summary removed]
Is that accurate? 


  

Roko replying to this post

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Apparently 77 people chose to downvote this without offering an alternative 100 word summary. .

  

Some random person: "If you think writing an 100 word summary of all of this content is as easy as downvoting, you're probably significantly overrating the value of your original comment."

Lol

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I don’t understand why any of these people have any problems with any of this abuse. If one person is harmed in process of benefiting a large group of people, isn’t that effective altruism? Wouldn’t Nonlinear be able to say, “so what about us fucking our employees, we’ve made AI safer which will save forty seven quintillion lives that’s EA baby!”

Or do I fundamentally misunderstand effective altruism based on critiques of the founder’s support of Sam Bankman-Jailed?

Since they brought up Kathy Forth I'd just like to remind everyone within a few weeks of Kathy's death it was revealed that they had in fact known about the accusations against Brent Dill.

Ok, I've spent way too much time on this, but read the "Sharing Information on Ben Pace" section. As some of the comments point out, it could be written about Kat's own reaction to the earlier article.

Do they address the allegation that Drew was sleeping with Alice and Kat was harassing her about it? That was the most damning allegation in the original wasn't it?

oh god there's comments on lw too https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/q4MXBzzrE6bnDHJbM/nonlinear-s-evidence-debunking-false-and-misleading-claims#comments