10mo ago

OpenAI does not want you delving into o1 Strawberry’s alleged “chain of thought”

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It's gonna turn out to be an filipino call center isn't it.
- we have finally achieved A Guy in India
  
  That's one way to put a sentient being on the other end of the request, I guess.
I don't think it's alive, I think it's talking to its self. They're making a Chinese whisper machine, and it will remain so until it has embodiment, subjective and changing goals, and a will of it's own.
That's part of intelligence, but it's still a reverse engineering take on things.
In actuality we have intelligence because our threat detection and social protection/survival goals became abstract enough for self-awareness to occur.
EDIT: Telephone game is what I meant.
- Chinese whisper
  Complete tangent but outside of the commonwealth, this game is referred to by the much less racist moniker “telephone”
  
  I figured he was talking about Searle's Chinese room thought experiment. Searle sucks though, so that's probably also racist (in addition to being stupid.)
  
  Thank you for explaining that. I, an American, have never heard the term “Chinese whisper”, but I’ve definitely heard of the telephone game.
That’s OpenAI admitting that o1’s “chain of thought” is faked after the fact. The “chain of thought” does not show any internal processes of the LLM — o1 just returns something that looks a bit like a logical chain of reasoning.
I think it's fake "reasoning" but I don't know if (all of) OpenAI thinks that. They probably think hiding this data prevents cot training data from being extracted. I just don't know how deep the stupid runs.

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