Luigi Mangione, CEO shooting suspect, is a tech worker
Police said they arrested a 26-year-old on firearms charges in connection to the New York killing.
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Reported by a worker at McD. Wtf, they're the group that would benefit the most from a change in the healthcare system. Idiot.
Reported by a worker at McD. Wtf, they’re the group that would benefit the most from a change in the healthcare system. Idiot.
Or, and hear me out here, we can view this with a little sympathy: there's $60k in rewards for anyone who turned this guy in, and the person who did it makes peanuts at McDonalds.
Now, I don't know if I would do it, but I can completely and utterly sympathize why someone who makes poverty wages would turn class traitor for what almost certainly life-changing money.
Well then this person is a moron. They won’t see a dime. Maybe a pat on the head and a gift card from the dollar store.
Employee of the Month
With the review bombing and public hatred of that McDonald's location? Fired is more like it.
I don't think that McDonald's gives single fuck about review bombing
The corporation? Definitely not. But review bombing and boycotting will hurt the profits of that franchised location, and its owner certainly will.
Do people really look at or read reviews of McDonald's?
When you're an out of towner looking for the nearest place to go and get coffee or use a public bathroom, reviews matter.
I have never looked at the reviews for a fast food franchise. They're all much the same, which is kinda the point.
The food and ingredients are the same, but the quality can vary a lot depending on how bad of job they do cooking it. When you've been disappointed enough by buying dry and borderline-burned breakfast, you stop trusting that all locations are equal.
Probably very few if any. Admittedly the outlier, I read Chipotle reviews because I've had too many of them give a time for pickup then proceed to dilly-dally for 20-30 mins past the time they gave me. Not cool. I'm happy to wait, but don't tell me it's going to be done.
You research reviews of McDonald where you are going to get burger? Really?
If I'm stopping by somewhere out of town, yes. Food quality varies by location, and I'm not going to waste my money on an undercooked meal at McDonald's when the competitor down the street is better.
You do not check the reviews before you go to McDonalds. Just quit.
And you do not speak for anybody other than yourself.
You're insane.
I'm not directing this at you personally when I say this, but what the fuck is so hard for most people to believe about the idea? Is it a foreign concept to treat franchized fast food places run by different franchisees as not equal? I'm not the only one who uses reviews to decide if I should skip a crappy location.
You people Buy burgers in Macdonald's?
I meant more like, that's the best accolade you may get as someone working for McDonald's. But yes, McDonald's absolutely has a reason to support the status quo in terms of corporate rule.
They'll let him order anything he wants off the dollar menu!
Which is really just a pack of fries, minus the fries at this point, becaues what store has a dollar menu anymore?
No way the average person working at Mcdonalds does anything but blow 60k even if they get it.
Edit: To be clear, I spent 4 years working at one. Good people, bad people, but not much economic sophistication in either group.
Yeah, the fucking idiot will probably all blow it on something stupid like an ER visit.
I don't. Might as well just be a cop if you think like that, plenty of room for bootlicking morons in that profession.
Here here. I'm poor as shit, got no insurance whatsoever, 60k would be somewhat life changing for me. I would never ever squeal on a comrade like that, even for millions.
Find out finds everyone
Way ahead of you.
that person might get 60k...
maybe because of this circle jerk, regime will pay out to prove a point.
but there is a lesson in this discussion folks.
Neat how that works. Keep the populace poor and they become a wall to wall surveillance system for you. And people worry about technology…
Off-topic question: are rewards money taxable?
There's no reason for them not to be treated like any other income.
If I remember correctly, they can be anonymous. If that's the case, they wouldn't really be easily taxable. Still, we are talking about the government here, and if they tax lottery winnings, I would bet they tax rewards.
The downvotes on this really make me question my faith in humanity.
Only the downvotes?
What about the cheering on of murder in the street?
To be charitable, other people can have different views on ethics.
For example, if harming a CEO who helped raise claim denial rates from less than 10% to 30% results in revised policies and less overall suffering, that could be morally justifable to some.
Vigilante justice indicates a failure in the system to administer justice.
It is absolutely in society's interest that someone who has caused deaths and misery of thousands is punished.
Punished, sure, but not murdered.
Luigi wasn't really in a position where he could stop the CEO through any lesser use of force.
And that's because it's not his job to do so. Not every problem needs to be solvable by any given individual.
If he really was that passionate about the problem, he should've run for office to get into a position to solve the problem, or at least joined forces with some group that pushes for causes he believes in. Or started a business to compete with those businesses he disagrees with. Those would all be proactive steps he could take. Killing a CEO doesn't solve anything, another will take his place, and surely he knew that.
Running for office wouldn't have stopped the CEO from continuing to murder thousands, since the CEO and his shareholders literally spend billions making sure people who would stop them don't get elected.
Killing a CEO doesn’t solve anything, another will take his place, and surely he knew that.
Yeah, this is why adventurism doesn't really work. The guy's actions were ineffective at systemic change, however just they may have been.
Running for office wouldn't have stopped the CEO
You're right, and neither does this extrajudicial killing. Nothing changed in insurance policie, and nothing will likely change. But running for office has a much better chance of helping people in the future than murdering a CEO.
And yeah, insurance companies spend billions lobbying government, and that's why running for office yourself is valuable, you can refuse to accept these donations. You need to find your own powerful group to get you elected (maybe labor unions?), because that's how the game is played, but there are options if you're laser focused on one type of policy.
however just
Justice is the lawful administration of law, and extrajudicial killing is, by definition, unjust. Depending on your moral code, I also argue it's immoral, because it's only moral to kill to protect innocent lives, and retribution isn't protection.
If killing this person was likely to actually change company policy, I could see it as moral, but there's absolutely no way a reasonable person would think that. This was a crime of passion, not of justice.
And yeah, insurance companies spend billions lobbying government, and that's why running for office yourself is valuable, you can refuse to accept these donations. You need to find your own powerful group to get you elected (maybe labor unions?), because that's how the game is played, but there are options if you're laser focused on one type of policy.
I agree with the sentiment, but all the labor unions in the country couldn't hold a candle to the potential damage a billionaire could do to an independent campaign, let alone a cabal of them. They don't play fairly in politics, and they're not above using advertising and media to direct a narrative that benefits their interests.
That's not to say I'm endorsing violence. After seeing Bezos and Musk manipulate news media and social media, respectively, I just don't have much hope in the system anymore.
We all know that doesn't work.
Killing a CEO certainly doesn't solve anything...
We'll see about that.
Are you advocating torture?
No, investigations by the various 3-letter agencies.
What about the cheering on of murder in the street?
Nah, that rich fuck had it coming, shooter is a hero.
We have a president who says that he could do exactly what The Adjuster did, and get away with it. If the president can do it, why not this guy?
I don't like it, but this is our world right now.
Hey DM, can I get a reroll?
I guess people are saying that they believe there is such a thing as an ethical murder in the streets. Of course in any form of ethics vacuum chamber this can’t stand. But in the real world where children are bombed for the sake of some asshole’s religion, where the president boasts he could get away with murder in the street and courts confirm this, in a world where sick people are left to suffer to boost a share price, then, THEN an act like this becomes a reasonable response to an unreasonable world.
Maybe someone better educated can tell me what ethics scholars have to say about how an ethical actor should behave in a system where ethics have utterly broken down. Right now, the crowd is saying “like that guy.”
I’m ill-disposed to wag my finger at them, and think the only ethical course is to address the corrupt environment in which this act occurred, because that environment undermines any one-dimensional ethical evaluation of this murder in the street, and that makes me deeply uncomfortable.
The comment I replied to wasn’t cheering on a murderer.
The comment I replied to was trying to convey that an impoverished person may feel like the reward money for turning in a murderer outweighs any moralizing over the murder itself. That the dollar figure could be literally life changing and they may feel they have no option but to turn them in.
And people downvoted that. Hence my shaken faith in people’s ability to empathize.
Simply a lack of class consciousness. America has worked hard since the rise of the USSR to topple workers power through union busting and destruction of community.
Basically we are built by our material conditions.
One doesn't have to go far to find a boot-licking class traitor who thinks if they run the rat race well enough they'll get a piece of cheese.
But to be fair to the McDonalds worker, the cash reward is designed to do just that.
$50k is 1-2 years pay for the person who reported him. For them, that short term relief was worth more than the highly improbable outcome where this man's actions actually impact their life in a positive way in the next few months. Money wins almost every time
I'm glad the rat will most likely get denied their pellet.
Idiot yes but we can't be too harsh on the pedon... so much education needs to be done, and these recent events is a good time for outreach and education.
Unity is the message. Luigi did the hard work, least the plebs can do it show some solidarity.
Class solidarity is for those who can afford it
Tell that to the social Democrats that build labor rights brick by brick a century ago. A lot of times they litterally starved on strike.
You're right. But they would have literally starved or been mangled by a machine if they had done nothing. Back then, the greatest weapons the top 1% had were hired guns.
A century ago, your choices were to die today on strike, or die tomorrow from starvation or work conditions, even if you play by the rules. Now, the greatest weapon the 1% has is complacency. You can die today on strike or you can play by the rules and the corporate overlords will feed you just enough until you become too expensive to feed.
How do you ask someone to starve when they have a legitimate alternative? Complacency is a killer.
How do you ask someone to starve when they have a legitimate alternative?
I know this was more of a rhetorical question, but for anyone who is legitimately asking this question: you show them that it's not actually a binary choice. There's options like communism and unionization that can both protect them and feed them.
The best part of long-term solutions is that they're actually solutions. The worst part about immediate satisfaction is that it's only immediately satisfying. If someone has an immediate problem, it's hard to get them to look at long-term solutions.
Sorry, I've been a major downer today...
in practice it do seem like that...
But the Adjuster was from well off family, and not all of us dirt poor... i don't blame the snitch here.
I do expect most people to be able to do their part tho... if wage slaves can't rally around this, we gonna have another generation of the fuckening.
make no mistake, the owner class will punish us hard for this.
I don't blame the worker either. I don't know their story, but if someone told me that I could either keep my mouth shut or feed and care for my family, I'd probably get chatty too. $60K isn't enough to feed you for life, but it's enough to get reliable transportation, clear a little debt, and buy a little time and cloth to interview for a job that pays better than McDonald's.
What I'm saying is that it's really hard to live by high standards when getting fired from your shitty-ass job could destroy, yet it doesn't pay enough for you to escape. Once again, class solidarity is for those who can afford it.
Once again, class solidarity is for those who can afford it.
Ok, where are you going with this?
middle 60% of america can't afford to not be a bootlicker?
The middle class income ranges from $17k per person up to $90k per person. I hope you don't think that I'm trying to belittle anyone. Someone making 90K can definitely afford to not be a bootlicker; a family of four averaging nearly $17K per family member is gonna have a much harder time.
The year that I lost my shit-paying job only to find an even worse-paying job with more hours was really fucking tough. If you'd offered me $60K legally when I was making $12K and scrambling for rent, I'd've had a really hard fucking time saying no to that. Back then, I was living alone and had very little to live for. Drop me into my current living arrangement and sub that situation: I'm saying yes to the money 80% of the time.
I wish I could say that I'm better than that, but struggling in a capitalist society makes you sick, scared, and desperate really fast. I'm not saying that people with lower income deserve lower expectations or should live by lower standards. I'm just saying to reserve your judgement before shitting on someone and labeling them a snitch before you know whether they could have afforded anything else.
For those of us who can afford class solidarity against the top 1%, we need to remember that the most vulnerable need to be helped up, not stepped on. Instinctually blaming this McDonald's worker helps the billionaires class far more than many of us may realize.
Maybe I'm off-base, but ultimately, this act of betrayal is unlikely to have an effect on the momentum of this potential movement. Whoever killed Thompson is unlikely to act again, their message was unlikely to be heard while they were in hiding, and if they are the hero everyone believes they also likely would forgive someone who was trying to de-shittify their life a little bit.
If you want this to move forward, pull those below you up so they can join us, not attack them for being on a lower level. Class solidarity is for those who can afford it. It sounds like you and I can afford it, so help someone else be able to afford it. Don't shun people who are too scared of starving to fight. Feed them.
We can't tell you who squealed, but it was one of the dozen employees at this McDonald's. Probably the one that's going to change jobs soon...
I'd be pissed and scared if I was an employee at that McDonald's
He had everything on him to get caught and convicted. I don't think he wanted to run forever.
America's working class has a long history of buying into propaganda and acting against their own interests. It's a huge reason why the medical industry has gotten so bad.
That being said, it's important to keep our anger focused on the system, not people who are getting suckered by it.
It pains me to see so many people ready and willing to beat up their Trump voting neighbor who fell for propaganda designed for them but not the Trump financing ceos
Jokes on you if you think this is going to change anything
Oh look, something changed: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/12/05/health/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-anesthesia-claim-limits
Oh look, nothing relevant changed. Looks like my comment still stands.
Here you are saying the actions of people don't have meaning. You feel smug because you proved yourself right. Seems the only power you have here is convincing others they are as powerless as you.
Need those goalposts moved again? I'd be happy to do it for you for $20.
Don’t need to move goal posts when nothing has changed. Get back to me with a relevant story.
Meanwhile people are still dying because of claims being denied, which you know, is the whole point of this story, or “goal post”.
Because they rely on "tips" , as the corporation is unable to pay a wage that is sufficient to support a basic standard of living. If only capitalist weren't so greedy they wouldn't be relying on the tips to survive.
I worked at McDonalds for a few years when I was younger. They didn't let us get tips.
Also worked there. There is no McDonald's that has ever allowed tips. It's against their corporate rules. I even saw an employee get written up for accepting a tip, once.
Some of us aren’t brainwashed into bloodlust by marxist bullshit, even though we’re poor.
Some of us would like it if we and people like us were not poor for the rest of time.
