Conservatives Will Blow It by Keeping Poilievre
The problem facing the Conservatives is as obvious as it is intractable — unless real change is made. The form of neoconservativism ushered in by Stephen Harper has morphed into angry authoritarianism under Pierre Poilievre. It will not sell in Canada and the electoral record proves it.
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Liberals need to be careful here. This was destined to be a conservative landslide if not for foreign interference. Unless Carney is more effectual than a typical new PM with a minority government, the next election will be an easy Conservative win with or without PP at the helm.
Carney doesn't play word games like the others do (see the English debate for reference). He is honest and loves Canada.
What will happen is he'll run circles around almost everyone else and they'll be pissed off he's beaten them ... cause he's smart. (Today's visit with Trump will be interesting to watch.)
You never play a game using someone else's rules. You either change the rules or change the game.
You didn't respond to the other person's point in any meaningful way, just saying.
You never play a game using someone else's rules. You either change the rules or change the game.
Telegraphed?
I think it had more to do with Trudeau being PM for almost 10 years and people were looking for change. If he stuck around, Liberals would potentially be third place. Because the Liberals found someone much better than Trudeau, it made Pierre even less likeable and he was either unable or unwilling to be more moderate to steal votes from other parties. Even in the last week, Pierre was talking about ending 'wokeism' and removing the ban on plastic straws. Those 2 issues aren't issues more Canadians care about so why even mention it? He needed to appear more centrist which is where Carney is.
If the CPC can find a relatable leader that doesn't court the extreme-right in Canada, they have a great chance of forming government. That's a big if.
The CPC deeds to de-reform itself and go back to pre-Preston Manning/Stephen Harper days. Until then, they're all complicit, regardless of who leads them.
Much like MAGA took over the Republican Party, The Reform Part (later the Canadian Alliance) essentially took over the narrative after first breaking off from and then later rejoining the Progressive Conservatives.
if not for foreign interference
I guess that really depends on your definition of interference. Conservatives lost because Canadians took one look at the reality of Trump and decided "fuck that...we don't want a politician who acts like him, even in any small way."
Poppingfresh was leading only because the only person we were more sick off than him was Trudeau. Once Trudeau was out of the picture, voters basically said "Oh thank Christ...we don't have to vote for Maple Maga."
Trump being an ass doesn't count as interference. And it's ultimately Poppinfresh's fault that he refused to pivot away from Trump-style rhetoric and polemics when even his own advisors were telling him it was a losing strategy.
That still doesn't account for the roughly 40% of votes that went to him during the election.
I think foreign interference was real and quite pervasive, but people didn't realise it was foreign interference because it was so blatant. I mean, most of the big social media companies are owned by far right US companies, and all private Canadian news outlets are owned by far rights as well. And every single one of those touted far right rhetoric constantly with almost no left representation.
Hell, just ask the average Canadian where they get their Canadian news, and I'll bet a third will say Facebook, despite Meta banning Canadian news from the platform because they didn't want to pay taxes.
Yeah. I get what you're saying now. Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you were saying that the only reason Liberals won was because of foreign interference on their behalf.
Yes, I know very well how pervasive right wing misinformation is. I live in a part of Canada that is surrounded by it. (Saskatchewan).
I wasn't the one you originally responded to, but I do appreciate the acknowledgement.
And yea, I wish more people in Saskatchewan thought for themselves and the alignment of their interests verses those around them. Especially when Alberta keeps treating your province like their little brother and drags you guys through all their shit. I mean, they keep going "Oil Oil Oil" and yet Saskatchewan isn't even a major producer. The province has completely different strengths yet so many are content blindly following Alberta, and Alberta taking that sentiment entirely for granted.
I get that you guys have the same "not being heard" issues, and can feel it since I hear so little being an Ontarian myself. Just wish that sometimes when I hear anything about Saskatchewan, Alberta isn't in the same sentence.
The ballot question didn't come down to PPs similarities to Trump. That was a factor, but ultimately the Liberal win was driven by Trump threatening Canadian sovereignty, which qualifies as foreign interference.
Trump threatening Canadian sovereignty
While I agree that that was definitely a big part of it.
I'll have to disagree when you say that PP's similarity to Trump didn't factor in. It most certainly did. In fact it's the primary reason that PP wanted DESPERATELY to get an election done before Trump's inauguration. because even before that he had been getting comparisons between his brand of populist rhetoric and Trumps.
He badly needed an election before the idea of a Trump presidency became the reality of a Trump presidency. And he knew it. He knew Trump's stink on him would sink him, and he was right.
I said that it was a factor. But he likely would have still won even with those comparisons based on polling in December and January. There are many in Canada thwt are accepting towards MAGA and nearly everyone else was tired of the Liberals. Ultimately, it was Trump threatening repeatedly to annex Canada that tipped the election.
Liberals need to be careful here.
Liberals put a Bank of England shill, O&G bagman, and anti-immigrant reactionary into the PM's office. This isn't an issue of being careful. They've ceded to the conservatives on policy and now they're just arguing over aesthetics. Exactly the same fumble Dems made in 2020 when they nominated Biden.
Carney will only be effectual at transferring wealth from the wealthier to the wealthiest. The economic situation in Canada will continue to constrict the working class and people will continue ingesting fascist media out of the internet fire hose. Conditions will not improve. Y'all jettisoned Trudeau but you're still stuck with Trudeau-ism.
How on earth is he anti-immigrant and reactionary?