I got into an argument with a MAGA “Communist,” here’s how it went
I got into an argument with a MAGA “Communist,” here’s how it went
I was watching a TikTok live of a fellow comrade and saw a message in the chat by “user bunch-of-numbers” that said MAGA Communism was the future.
I, stupidly, responded “no it isn’t, come on now.” I did so because I wanted to shut that shit down immediately but that only spurred him on. I should’ve known better.
He responded with “yes it is, you are a rad lib.”
Notice how he insulted me first? So in turn I responded “MAGA communism is not the future, you’re a weirdo conservative.” While I usually keep the insults in my mind and try to stay level headed, I felt comfortable matching energy because he called me a fucking radlib.
He then continued “most of the American proletariat are Trumpers and we need to reach them.”
I said “yes, the working class should be reached but not while validating their bigotries.” I believe that you have to meet people where they are at, mostly regarding education such as not using unfamiliar words or concepts, while NOT validating their hatred of minorities.
He countered “Stalin and the Red Army defeated Hitler, not blue haired multigenders.” I shit you not, this is what he said. I never specified what bigotry I was talking about since MAGA people embody them all, but he seemed to get really defensive over my statement.
I then asked “because most trumpers are incredibly racist, does that make their racism okay then?” Since he seems to be fine with homophobia and transphobia, that must mean he is okay with racism too.
He stated “most of them aren’t racist, but the ones who are of course it is not okay.”
With that I said “okay, well are blue haired multigenders not also proletariat?”
And I swear to god he said “most of them are not. Baristas are not proletariat.”
Who the fuck brought up baristas? Not me! With that I asked “what makes queer people not proletariat?”
And guess what? He stopped responding and just continued talking to others in the chat and repeating that MAGA communism was the future.
I know I should have just ignored his ass but I just couldn’t. I am the type that cannot let that shit slide, because when I do I end up feeling awful physically (achy knees for some reason) and mentally.
"Baristas aren't proletariat" gives the game away. That person has never read theory and doesn't understand your class is determined by your relation to capital, not by your profession.
Bro has never read Marx, Lenin, Stalin, et al.
MAGA "communists" are just fascist LARPers using Leftist language to camouflage their reactionary politics. Fascists do this all the time.
Most proles - however you define that term - are most definitely not conservatives. Most of the work force are either immigrants or minorities; neither of whom vote GOP by large margins. I can attest to this as I have personal experience in manufacturing/warehouse work and have known many people who worked construction as well.
I wish I could agree with "most are not." At best, it seems regional.
I honestly don’t understand why the ACP/MAGA communists don’t consider baristas proletariat. Were the coffee makers in the USSR not part of the working class? I know it’s to do with some flavour of queerphobia, and because they hate queer people then that must mean they are bourgeoisie. I don’t know how these people can call themselves communists when they don’t even know it’s most basic concepts.
It's honestly not even about baristas often being young college-age kids, minorities, liberals or left-leaning.
It's just a pinkwashed version of "real jobs" wherein the only "real jobs" involve hard labor. Construction, manufacturing, trucking, farming, mining, etc. Things associated with "masculinity" basically. This is the same argument as the "burger-flippers don't deserve a living wage because it's not a real job" line conservatives are always using to justify the poverty wages fast food workers get.
ACP has taken this mindset, pointed to old-fashion Soviet posters of big burly factory workers hammering steel, and essentially combined the two into the abomination that is "baristas aren't proletariat". That's all MAGA communism really is: rehashed classist conservative arguments with a crimson veneer.