If Marxism was a show
If Marxism was a show
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/35174255
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Trotsky. The guy who argued the Soviet Union was too authoritarian and bureaucratic. And was serving an unaccountable elite instead of the workers. Arguably much closer to the spirit of Marx than Stalin. Is the one everyone hates?
This meme is kinda tankie brained.
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A little, yeah. I grew up hating Stalin and favored Trotsky, but the more I learned about the eastern front the more I have to wonder if the USSR would have survived the Nazi invasion if Stalin hadn't forced them to industrialize so aggressively. Without Stalin, it is possible that the Nazis took Moscow in 1942 and without most of the Wehrmacht stuck on the eastern front, I doubt that the US would have sacrificed a million men to force open a western front. It is possible without Stalin that the Nazis would have ruled Europe for decades.
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Yeah... no. Stalin's purges is literally the reason the Soviet army was such a walkover in the early days of Operation Barbarossa. It's thanks to Stalin that the Wehrmacht even managed to get that far.
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I don’t think that’s a good reason to like Stalin.
You could say something similar about Churchill vis à vis Nazis. Doesn’t change the fact he was a cunt.
Plus Stalin literally cooperated with Hitler to invade Poland, commiting atrocities in the process. So while I appreciate that the USSR is one of the, if not the, major reasons the Nazis fell, I don’t see it as out of good faith.
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Without Stalin's purges, every branch and level of USSR would have been better prepared for the Nazi invasion and the early part of the war would be very different.
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I think it's more a jab at his personality, which was quite annoying.
He was very intelligent and an excellent orator, but he often seemed arrogant.
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I mean Trotsky predicted what would happen and then went through with it anyway, so yeah, fuck him
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Also tag yourself: am a mix of Rosa "the gremlin" Luxembourg and Nadezhda "Um... what's her name again?" Krupskaya in terms of vibes LOL
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Trotsky's personality might have been quite annoying but I do think he had a lot of correct observations and predictions, including but not limited to:
His crucial and monumental role in the civil war, accurately calling out the growing bureaucracy which later evolved into the corrupt nomenklatura with all their privileges and special status.
Him being able to see past his disdain for Stalinism and vocally supporting the USSR in WW2 etc.There is a lot of slander about him, as with most old Bolsheviks (most of which were murdered in the 1930s....)
And yes, he was a Bolshevik through and through. He corrected his position way before 1917 and usually tried to stay away from dogmatic ones as well. Why else would he have helped so much in the civil war and played one of the key positions?
Koba was only relevant as for his bank robberies (which were based) and IIRC failing a military offensive in Poland/Ukraine.
(Only much later becoming more relevant by abusing his position as gensec.)
While Trotsky had so many feathers in his cap, from the early pravda board, to the Petersburg/Petrograd Soviet, obviously the Red Army, his later positions of the economy (meaning after his armies of labour blunder) which were adopted almost verbatim by Stalin after he opportunistically disposed of the right wing with e.g. Bukharin (whose position he implemented before).
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Good thing it is not, since there are better political theories now.
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Could you provide some examples? I'm curious.
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