BREAKING: Trump halts military aid to Ukraine, media reports

See, there is a strategy - u just tunnelvisioned and stuck in a cold war

Isn't this more or less what T-bag said he would do?

You don't know that, and I'm skeptical that Trump would go to that much trouble to come up with an excuse. He hasn't needed an excuse to do anything else he's been doing.

What I would expect Trump to do is just pull support and if anybody asks him why, say loudly "America First!!!"

Guess what. War is gonna happen regardless. Except now the Ukrainians are going to have a harder time fighting back, while the russians start their pogroms.

In that specific match up the F-35 would win the majority of the time. The Rafale would win when it was able to get inside the F-35's missiles. The problem is a modern fighter versus fighter engagement starts with long range missiles launches. So the side that sees first launches first. Then they go into tight S turns to keep radar tracking on their missiles while maintaining range. At some point the enemy also acquires them on radar and does the same thing. They will keep doing this until the enemy missiles reach a minimum distance and they will dive and turn away with chaff. This breaks the radar link but you're hoping the missiles are close enough to acquire targets on their own. So the side that sees the other one first and launches first, even by a few seconds gains a massive advantage. That's what stealth tech is about.

Now that said, there is a Euro stealth fighter in the works, but it's not expected until 2040.

to add in, european scientists often move to US for more income, i see the reverse happening down the line, fleeing back to thier countries. the only reason why us tech is ahead because scientists from other countries are moving here.

The military that he just dismissed the leadership of and replaced with his own people, and the CIA that's directed by his people?

Sometimes I wish the US were what tankies say it is.

"Do you solemnly swear that you will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic ;that you will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that you take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that you will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which you are about to enter: So help you God?"

I don't know that the CIA has ever given a shit about the United States.

Hell H.W. Bush was the son of a man that tried to overthrow the government and Ford appointed him to CIA director in the 70s.

As far as I'm aware, the military, in the best case, will simply refuse to follow unlawful orders. There are formal processes to do so. That's part of military culture and law. Whether that system will hold up to Trump is unknown. When he issues unlawful orders, will soldiers simply refuse to comply? Unknown.

But one thing is for sure. It's not part of military culture to actively resist. There is no formal process for that to be protected or OK. That's simply insurrection and rebellion.

If... Let's say if... It'll take some planning, they wouldn't just do it willy nilly they gotta plan the hit, find the right assets, find the right areas, research, etc. it takes a lot of work to whack somebody it's not like The Sopranos or anything.

What do you mean? Trump is an asset of the ruling class.

Rich people in the nation have literally nothing to fear while he's in office, so we shouldn't expect the military or any 3-letter agencies to do anything about it.

It’s up to the man on the street to take action.

He's a threat for the people not for the government or he wouldn't be the ceo.

Does it matter at all? Trump is compromised and is actively working for Putin. This is transparent and not being denied. Is there precedent for a puppet to do whatever he's told by his master? Yes, lots.

Palestine. Maybe not successfully, but note that the idea that Palestinians have the same natural right to armed self defense as any other group is completely absent from mainstream political discourse. Most simply cannot even comprehend that the Palestinians should have just as much right to kill to defend themselves as Israelis do. Partly this is due to colonialism. Part of it is classism. The violence of the Israelis is clean and high tech. The violence of the Palestinians is crude and performed with simple weapons. We judge the morality of violence based upon the wealth of the people committing the violence.

Is it a third country if the one punishing is a proxy of said country?

Finland had to accept responsibility for being invaded by Russia. Also, they had to give away land mass that Russia failed to grab. Also, they had to give up some sovereignty. Also, they had to pay ginormous reparations and sign deals to buy army stuff from Russia.

Nice army stuff, though. I've been in a 1995 KRAZ with a wood frame for the driver. Also they don't have a tap for draining motor oil, because who would expect them yo return from the frontlines?

Yeah that shit happens all the time throughout history, actually. Especially when colonized countries dared to fight back against colonizers.

The peace agreement between Napoleon and Austria included Napoleon taking independent (but in the coalition) Venice.

It was kind of an awful elitist place but it was also the oldest democracy in the world at the time. Napoleon destroyed that, and all the monestaries. You can see the ruins of them around the lagoon if you visit.

Gaza

Economic sanctions on the early RSFSR after the Bolsheviks defeated the English, French, Italian, USA coalition that invaded them in the Russian Civil War.

That really is a stark contrast. What do the apologetics say about this?

He means "capitulate to the enemy"

They are literally shooting every Russian they spot on their soil

There are 8 millions russian speakers living in ukraine i hope these don't count as "russian"

At some point, Europe has to start wondering whether it's really such a good thing to have US military bases all over their continent.

Weak puppet with strong army. What makes anyone think stopping aid to Ukraine is all he can do. The sanctions against Russia are going to be lifted next, and if necessary, the aid is going to Russia. Europe has enough power against Russia, but not against Russia + the US.

Look, stranger things have happened but I get the sense it's more likely Putin dies and the whole thing kind of crumbles. That's the likelier, although still entirely unlikely scenario.

It'd still be pretty nice to see less reliance on the US except global peace relies on more trust, not less. The US might need systemic reforms to get there, but even Russia looked like it could be an ally to EU prior to Putin, just all countries need better safeguards to avoid backsliding into authoritarianism. I'm not sure what those would be, but you can't have global peace without addressing these countries.

Can we, as a society, label anyone who things otherwise as a traitor? Any politician against, or even dragging their feet, immediately written off, perhaps even deported from yhe continent?

Please?

Ukraine wins anyway.

Lol.

Yep. That pretty much summarizes it.

The US won’t provide the security guarantees Zelenskyy is asking for. He can try getting them from European countries though, but they do not seem willing to provide them either.

When are we going to stop this?

When congress starts impeachment proceedings. Call your representatives. Listening you complain is their job.

1. Joining and organizing within your local community to create connections with others is incredibly powerful, will lay the groundwork for effective resistance.
2. We can effect things drastically with a general strike. This can massively impact their income streams, and can bring a government to its knees if done on a large enough scale.
3. Join the IWW and attempt to unionize your workplace, so that the general strike is even more effective.

If we put in the work, we can resist this and we can win. Join up with allies while we still can easily!

Have you decided what means are acceptable for resistance for yourself yet

The average us citizen doesn’t have a solid grasps of how our government actually works.

Defunding education and gutting curriculum and removing civics education has … been impactful.

Laws only have value as long as someone is willing to enforce them. It's all a social construct.

I'm not from the US and am far from being a legal expert, but your country appears to be close to being lawless (or is getting there at an accelerated pace).

This just proves that american gloating over their "checks and balances" was bullshit all along. US will never live this down.

Part 4: USA falls apart

Part 5: China profits

Yes, he'll set the Reichstag Capitol on fire and go from there.

I've been wondering where the US Tiananmen Square is going to be.

The only remedy for abuse of power is impeachment, and that requires 50% +1 of the House of Representatives and 2/3 of the Senate. No president was ever convicted of impeachment charges. Democracy was only upheld by "norms and traditions" and with trump's disrespect for that, this is where we are... Checks and Balances only works against a corrupt individual, doesn't work against an entire party working together to destroy democracy.

It's very illegal. He has already been impeached once for withdrawing military aid to Ukraine in his first term.

And you see where that got us.

It isn't daft. The Republicans since Reagan have pushed a fringe legal theory called the Unitary Executive Theory. Basically, they want the president to fully control the executive branch and military such that theirs is the only voice that matters for much of the government. Not unlike a king, but partially checked by congress and the courts. They have been taking (illegal) actions to try to get sued, and also have been suing others/other branches of government, to try to get the Supreme Court to hear cases that will support this fringe legal theory so that it becomes the law of the land.

I am not a lawyer, but this is possibly something Trump can legally do since he is Commander in Chief of the armed forces. However, this seems more like an apportionment thing, which is Congress' responsibility. Congress has allocated funds to send military aid to Ukraine. So, even if Trump as Commander in Chief could say "no more weapons to ukraine", it seems doubtful to me that he could (legally) stop weapons shipments currently en route.

But, by the time whatever government office sues the office of the president to get a judge to enjoin them to send the agreed upon weapons that were already apportioned, it will already have hurt Ukraine somewhat. Trump often weaponizes inefficiency. And these sort of illegal acts aren't crimes per se - they're just procedural breaches - the legal remedy is just to reverse the action.

So, probably not legal. But Trump gets to weaponize his administration's incompetence (or feigned incompetence) to at least delay aid. More competent people may support these actions, knowing they're illegal, to try and strengthen the president's role even further.

Republicans hold the majority in congress, so they're refusing to push back and are just allowing him to usurp power from them.

It is for Congress to decide such matters. It says so right in our constitution, but our Legislative branch has been ceding their ability to check Executive overreach for decades. Now, with a complicit Congress as the majority, they will never challenge Trump on anything he does, no matter how unconstitutional or illegal it might be. Same goes for the Judiciary as well, chock full of partisan hacks who bend and twist their interpretation of the language of the constitution to cherry pick a favorable ruling for anything that Trump does.

Basically, our system of checks and balances that are meant to keep one aspect of the government from becoming too powerful has been completely subsumed by ideologues who prefer monarchy to democracy. The executive now essentially has unchecked authority and is in full control of the government apparatus.

how is Trump so powerful?

The Republican party controls Congress and they have abdicated their responsibilities to our Constitution and, by extension, the American people in favor of an authoritarian because they have accepted him as their leader, thus giving away their own power.

Our forefathers never expected Congress to give away its own power. Because it doesn't really make any sense in the long term for them to do so.

We are experiencing a coup. Most Americans are too uneducated to understand this.

We are entering a "yeah and who's going to stop me era of US politics"

The president was always able to stop aid under certain conditions. Trump is just going to certify that one of those conditions exist no matter how ridiculous it is.

Why would Putin ask Trump to ask him to go home?

the peaceful state it was in

Was it though? Wasn't the Ukrainian government at war with separatist militias in Eastern Ukraine prior to 2022?

Yup, although that's not going to happen this time around.

Kind of. Last time he was trying to get them to say they were investigating Hunter Biden, so somethithathat would more directly benefit himself. This time I guess he wants the US to have the rights to all their minerals, which I don't even understand how that would work, but I guess that could be seen as benefitting the US if you're a total psychopath.

You're delusional if you think trump cares about any of that shit.

The US media still does not dare to call Trump a Russian agent, despite him showing all symptoms.

US operation in the black sea today

https://www.itamilradar.com/2025/03/04/look-who-we-have-here/

All the military equipment in the world can't make up for their recruitment and morale problems.

It's just reality, regardless of what's upvoted on these forums.

The way it should be