We are not the same

I don't think I've seen this meme format before but it's fucking hilarious. I love that kid's stance while hitting the bowl, he's ready for action.

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lubuntu

Mint is one of the best versions of Ubuntu you could possibly use. They give you Ubuntu without all the forced snaps and other crap.

Running yay every other day is all the maintenance I do on my arch installation.

Mint > literally all OS, Mobile or PC.

What do you mean by maintaining?

Arch maintenance: 0. Install it once. (The proper way)

1. Every 2 weeks minimum pacman -Syu
2. Every 3 months merge/update configs in /etc.

I don't get what is with this so hard? Yes, configs can be undecipherable but 90% time the merge involves just deleting the .pacnew versions.

I’m too lazy to maintain a mint install, so it is endeavourOS for me.

Just yay

I don't use Arch because I don't trust the AUR. I run ubuntu based distros on my desktop and servers for better compatibility with software and then use Fedora based software on my laptop and media center.

hear!

Couldn't agree more! Hell, it doesn't even have to be Linux. AIX on an LPAR? Cool. Irix on an old SGI workstation? You do you, man. MacOS and you use open source tools? Get it, man! Solaris on x86? You're a sick fuck, but hey, it takes all types to make the world go round, you Larry Ellison supporting twat. Anyways, just use a unix variant, any of them.

Well written! We have chosen well

— LUG LEKWHS Member

As an AmogOS user you seem a bit sus

Alpine?

Don't forget Mint.

I currently have Pop_OS on a laptop, but haven't run Ubuntu in a while. What is worse about it? So far (installed the other night) I just hate how slow the Pop Store runs. Terminal is quick and fluid, Firefox was good, Jellyfin setup all seemed to go quick. Installing the client for my VPN (PIA) went on forever and had issues so I just installed OpenVPN and set up a single Spain VPN gateway there. But for whatever reason that store just drags ass

I agree. I don't think I've ever actually received or witnessed the hate that the memes espouse as the norm in the Linux community. I've seen some "oh really, I had trouble with that so I use blank instead" or maybe even "you should try blank" (mostly when people ask though). I think most of us are too busy hating Windows to really truly hate other linux distros. We have our favorites and we will happily share that with anyone that asks, and many that don't.

I've tried to stop talking about it all the time to friends and family as I don't want to scare them off, but I am just using it everyday in front of them and showing them that I don't have infinitely more problems than they do... Hoping it just seeps in via osmosis and at some point one too many "hey, you should buy a new computer, windows 10 is going end of life soon you know" pop-ups will set off that magical chain reaction.

I'm never going to feel fully satisfied using an OS that has an official 'pro' version.

Exactly, that or trolls & saboteurs

I’m going to preface this with saying whatever works for you.

It’s not really about difficulty for most people.

Canonical (the people who manage Ubuntu,) has made some unfortunate decisions.

First, and I feel this has always been true, they approach their users with the assumption that they are in fact idiots. Microsoft has the same design philosophy, and it makes things much harder than it needs to be. (Some people may be idiots, but if they want to wipe the entire drive, that’s their business, right?)

Secondly, Ubuntu tends snoop on you, and certain decisions by canonical raises alarms.

Finally, fuck snap.

Edit: if all you’ve used is Ubuntu, get yourself a moderately large usb stick and try a few others out. No need to remove Ubuntu to try a new flavor. Linux is like ice cream. Find your favorite and stab anyone who disagrees with you. I mean, Stan it. Yeah that’s it.

snaps.

oh, and that time that Canonical put Amazon telemetry in the default search application.

oh, and how they just bundle up "bleeding edge" stuff from a year ago and ship it with it's associated bugs.

It's been a few years since I tried but it just really turned me off.

I'm sure there are as many reasons as there are people who dislike Ubuntu, but here's a few:

• They injected internet ads into search
• To many outside of the community if they have any familiarity with Linux on a desktop, it's with Ubuntu which kinda places it in a position to newcomers as being Linux itself rather than one particular flavor
• It is very opinionated about look and feel and usability: i.e. their custom launcher and Snaps
• It's popular
• It has a reasonably large user base so there's more opportunity for people to find things to nitpick over.

Overall it's fine. I've used Ubuntu, Mint, Puppy, DSL, Arch (btw), Fedora, and Debian. I can do pretty much anything I need to on any of them. I've got my preferences about the correct balance between useability, upgrade schedule, and customizability.

Use whatever you like.

But don't complain "Linux requires constant work" after it breaks in a couple of years, instead, be free to complain "Ubuntu requires constant work".

Also, beware that it may be spying on you.

To expand on the hate of snaps:

They're a packaging solution for apps and dependencies. They're apparently quite comfortable for app developers to use too. There was a hiccup where some apps really struggled to run well as snaps, but AFAIK that was fixed.

The common issues are snapcraft being the only repository and the methods of pushing them:

Snapcraft is where the packages are stored and loaded from, and it's a closed-source repo hosted and controlled by Canonical, with no option to configure snap to use a different source. That has advantages for security, if you trust Canonical to vet and take responsibility for the packages on their system, but some people chafe at that lack of control. Compare to flatpak, where you can add arbitrary repos, so any distro vendor can have their own set of packages and versions they've vetted for stability and compatibility, but if I want a different version than my vendor maintains in their remote, I can use a different remote for certain apps instead.

The second issue is that the classical apt system, which used to install .deb packages, was utilised to install snaps instead, so you'd run apt install package and expect a .deb to be installed, but instead it just downloads a script that runs snap install package and you get a snap instead, which is particularly annoying when you previously had it as a deb and it suddenly gets replaced. The argument here is a smooth transition to the "better" system, on the premise that snaps are better and the assumption that users won't care or notice. In some cases (the hiccups mentioned earlier) that just wasn't the case and people got frustrated, but even if it worked, some people (including me) take issue with expecting a deb and getting a snap - if I want a snap, I'll use snap, and if your deb is deprecated, offer me to switch instead of silently installing the alternate source instead.

Does that mean Windows is Catholicism?

But you will go to hell though

Obligatory Emo Phillips bit

MacOS!

It's so nice having a stable OS to fall back to on for those rare occasions where I screw something up on my arch laptop my arch laptop magically borks itself (How did that happen? Who could have done this?).

He's not wrong though. Historically left parties have been more splintered than right ones.

Ubuntu is Debian

Soo... Fedora?

What about outside your room?

I have to say I do like not having to worry about things like "does my OS take screenshots and send it somewhere to be used as an AI training set" and "do I have to accept the OS update they are shoving down my throat so that I basically sell my privacy for not having security problems". There is enough of that elsewhere already.

Get a load of this guy😂 We do understand that you're using a combative spyware, you braindead oaf