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Heritage Foundation and Allies Discuss Dismantling the EU

www.desmog.com Heritage Foundation and Allies Discuss Dismantling the EU

The group that drafted a key blueprint for Donald Trump’s second term convened a meeting in Washington D.C. this week to consider proposals for bulldozing the European Union (EU). The Polish investigative outlet VSquare revealed that the Heritage Foundation gathered hardline conservative groups on 1...

The group that drafted a key blueprint for Donald Trump’s second term convened a meeting in Washington D.C. this week to consider proposals for bulldozing the European Union (EU).
The Polish investigative outlet VSquare revealed that the Heritage Foundation gathered hardline conservative groups on 11 March to hear how they would overhaul the current structures of the EU.
The “closed-door workshop” featured a debate on a new paper produced by the lobby groups MCC and Ordo Iuris entitled: “The Great Reset: Restoring Member State Sovereignty in the 21st Century”.

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US looking to destabilise and destroy a democratically formed group / nation state for their own interests? Shocker.

They reallllllllllllly hate unions

Sounds like an act of war

The American Heritage Foundation needs to pound sand.
- They need to be put on a terrorist watch list.

It's not the first and it's not going to be the last.
Most EU members are small and easy to bully for a country the size of the US if on their own (and in fact many were bullied by the US before becoming EU members) and even the mid-sized ones could be pushed around, but a block of 470 million people with a larger GDP than the US cannot be pushed around just like that, so it's absolutely in the best interests of the elites which control the US and a very large fraction of its Economy (and hence stand to gain the most from any bullying by the US of other nations) to want to dismantle any association of small and middle sized countries that makes them capable of dealing with the US as equals.
Why do you think it was wealthy Americans who funded the Leave side of the Leave Referendum in Britain (for example, by paying Cambridge Analitica to use Facebook to manipulate people into voting Leave)?! It's just that, no doubt to their great disappointment, removing Britain from the EU did not significantly weaken the EU, only Britain, and they already had vast influence in British politics so don't really gain much from Britain leaving the herd to go out all on its own.
- shit like this reminds me how much I love the EU

I really think any countries which may try to leave the eu should think about how well that went for Britan.

Ugh I'm so sick of these Heritage assholes. There's needs to be an American progressive counter organization.
- Oops, all fed boi honeypots!

The Heritage Foundation is a treasonous organization. They need to be stopped. I fail to understand how Project 2025 isn't outright sedition, and it should've been treated that way by Biden.
- It's been clear to anyone who read it that P2025 planned to dismantle the government and shred the constitution. If they were left leaning, the FBI would've been so far up the Heritage Foundation's ass, they would've been looking through their eyes like a Scooby doo painting.
- It's the whole "they go low, we go high" mantra of liberals.
  
  While in reality they're going nowhere but the hotel bar.

ok so let's do these quickly:
declare the AfD unconstitutional in Germany
make Marine Le Pen ineligible in France
destitute Viktor Orban in Hungary
- Romania already banned its fascist candidate. The others should do the same
- All the others like-minded installed puppets by or via RF/CCP & Co.
  ( remember the Huawei case in Belgium) and Chinese Police Station in Europe)
  (ed links)
  
  absolutely, the list can be expanded as much as needed! thank you for the links :)
- Great plan! I’ll tell all my EU family to vote for you—haha
  I like this list. Should have been done already. Especially Le Pen and Orban—they have been on our radar for so long it’s absurd how they’ve been allowed to fester. AfD needs to go. I also am extremely skeptical and have my eye on Sahra Wagenknecht with her praise of Putin.
  Sovereign countries have the right to remain sovereign and defend against foreign and domestic interlopers who wish to end their sovereignty. I’m rooting for you and if I gets bad enough I hope I can be allowed to lend myself to your fight.
  
  ha <3 keep your vote for someone more competent than me, you'll find me on the barricades but not in the parliament :-)
  Wagenknecht belongs to these people who believe that appeasement works with the extreme right. You give them what they want and they'll be happy, they'll keep their word and you'll be safe. Yes of course you had to sacrifice a few marginalized people on the way, but that's a fair price to pay for peace, right? RIGHT? oh shit, now the leopard is also eating MY face. 😱🙀

Alright guys, it’s time to roll out the guillotines again
- No tolerance for intolerance
- Seriously, how are these clowns getting away with having workshops? They need to be scared for their lives
  
  There are huge protests in Serbia, that last several months. Did the people in power went down? No. People literally need to eat grass to say fuck this shit.
  
  They largely own the police. Is going to taken overwhelming opposition, which is difficult to organize quickly effectively.
- I hear certain parts of the European Union can teach us a thing or two about those!
- This is America, sniper rifles would be more useful.
  
  They already tried that. We forgot about that guy because a much more attractive shooter caught our attention.
- I think America needs an American solution for this American problem
  
  A guillotine made of... guns
  
  No worries, you can have Made in America™️ guillotines

I am truly, honestly and in all seriousness scared. I have already sought professional help, have my First Session tomorrow but i must say... The Things that Happen These days worry me to a Point where i am truly afraid of the Future.
- Ive never been more worried in my life. Not for myself so much, I'm older so i won't have to live that long in their authoritarian future. I'm extremely worried about my 25 year old son, and my 3 year old niece. This will be their world.
  It is really affecting my son, who is losing hope, and so are his friends. They don't see a future of freedom and pride in their country. My son made friends from all over the world when he was in college, and even they are worried about the future of the world with a Nazi regime in America.
  If there isn't a Musk file on me yet, there will be, and eventually the list will reach my name. I've been thinking about what would radicalize me beyond propagandizing on Lemmy (now that im permabanned from Vichy Reddit after 12 years and nearly a million karma for anti-Trump posts), and all patriotic, loyal Americans should be thinking about it, too. I have to stick around as long as possible for my wife and son, but if something were to happen to them, especially my son, then I've got nothing to lose, and it's on, and i go full on guerilla warfare.
- Yes, they want you like that, like a scared little middle class, who just wants to work for a corporation, watch some sports and go skiing.
- I can relate for sure. Not to the same degree as you, from what it sounds like, but definitely very worried for the future.
  That said, I do believe Europe is more resilient than the US here. And while that has been my main pain point with the EU for a long time, the fact that it's not very democratic might make it even more resilient to fascist take-over.
- You’re not allowed to go out alone. At least take a few Nazis with you.
- Stay strong! I hope the help makes you feel better. We will prevail
- No more doomscrolling for you. Spend time with real people face to face, and you’ll feel the difference within a week.
  
  Head-in-the-sand strategies wont work, you'll just pull your head out to a worse situation. It's better to learn to put your fear and anxiety to use, keeping the treason of these Nazis in front of the entire world. Make them know how despised they are in decreasing polls. Resist everything they are doing, and encourage your friends. Apply Malicious Compliance wherever possible. Keep the pressure on your government officials. Recent town halls for both Republicans and Democrats have been heavily attended by EXTREMELY angry citizens. They need to know how angry we are, and how immensely outnumbered they are.
  Lean into your worrying, transform it into anger, and let that fuel your resistance.
  
  I understand where it comes from, but I think this is just bad advice. We cannot encourage people to ignore what is happening.
- They are all talk and no action. Don't worry.
  They haven't been able to properly implant a tariff and that's the simplest thing in the world.
  
  All bark and no bite?
  Did you see the clips of "Venezuelan gang members" being shipped to El Salvador, who was happy to accept them? In the past few years i saw photos and videos of Russian prisoners and Chinese Uyghurs treated exactly the same way, with outage from the Western media and officials. Now were doing it, too. Instead of seeing those reports as a cautionary tale, MAGA Traitors saw them as a game plan.
  People like Kapo Stephen "PeeWee Himmler" Miller and Steve "Unwiped Asshole" Bannon want to treat their American citizen enemies the same way, and worse. Miller has said that he wants to reduce the population of America to 100 million, from its current population of 330 million. How do you think a Nazi loving freak like him intends to reduce the population by 70%?
  Viciously barking dogs are often vicious biters as well. When a dog is barking, its best to heed the warning.

The ”everything is a russian conspiracy” theory seems more plausible every day…
- Because it is. And everybody denying it is a complete idiot.
  
  If you think everything that's happening in Europe and the US is perpetrated by the Russians, that's honestly more of an easy way of pretending an 'other' outside of the country is responsible, not anyone in the country itself.
  Wilders, despite also supporting Russia, is a 100% Dutch phenomenon (starting with Fortuyn at least). These types will use any power they have to attain as much power as they can get; in the Netherlands (with the Dutch electoral system), that's a bit more difficult than in Hungary. To attain more power, it's a good idea to have some scapegoat you can make people scared of and rail against constantly: muslims, asylum seekers, recently trans folks. You don't need 'Russia' to explain these authoritarian attacks on minorities.
  It's a form of scapegoating itself, actually, despite there still actually being truth to Russian disinformation and destabilisation campaigns, of course. At the same time, it overinflates Russian abilities, though Romania is worrying.
  I disagree with the 'Russian conspiracy' nonsense anyway, especially when it comes to Trump. I suppose that makes me 'a complete idiot'.
  
  I mean a lot of things are. Russia definitely wants to destabilize the west as much as possible. But like, not literally everything that Russia could do and would benefit them is actually done by them. We gotta focus on the big picture and not get lost in the weeds of, for example, whether Russia is to blame for the Smolensk air disaster, or every single Baltic underwater cable break in the past 2 years.

The way it's going I think we're closer to seeing the USA dismantled
- Exactly, but how can Russia’s newest puppet sta… cough… ally help with the next phase of the plan.

The US wants to add the US to this list United States involvement in regime change. They are not our friends!

“The Trump administration’s most influential think tank, The Heritage Foundation, is receiving proposals from illiberal forces in Poland and Hungary” This part is very interesting. Are we assuming these groups are just excuses for their own agenda, or would this even be up for discussion had they not received the proposals? Something else?

It's too bad that "The Great Reset" they have in mind is just tearing down democratic institutions and handing all power to fascists, because a reset that was truly great might be worthy of consideration: All debts cancelled, all bank balances zeroed, all existing copyrights and contracts annulled, ownership of homes falls to those who live in them, ownership of factories and fields are granted to those who work in them, and after a period of great confusion we start again from there.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/lifestyle/nigel-farage-meets-notorious-climate-change-denier-at-reform-hq-389715/
The director of the climate denying thinktank The Heartland Institute Lois Perry was spotted in Reform’s head offices celebrating with Nigel Farage after the party hit 205,000 members on social media.
The Heartland Institute was reportedly involved in the radical Project 2025 agenda, which was written as a roadmap for Donald Trump’s controversial second term, and it has been a leading voice in denying scientific evidence of human caused climate change.
- So we can suspect that the US is joining Russia against UE because UE is pushing electricity against the oil&gas driven old world.
- Ban Facebook and X/Twitter. They're facilitating sedition.
  
  And Facebook and Xitter are nothing in comparison with TT. At least in Poland they are pushing „fun and trendy” far right, „common sense” far right and russian talking points into every feed. As far as I understand this is also true for most of the Europe.

I hope the people of USA are aware of this, as this could absolutely mean war.
- Some of us are, but when I speak of these things out loud, I even sound crazy to myself. It’s just so unbelievable.
- ordo iuris is a polish organization, dk about mcc

“Member state sovereignty”. So they’re going to let California leave the shit-show are they?

Weird they dislike the ECB and the European Union, they give us bangers like bank bail-ins and CBDC, to deal with their strangulation of productivity investment and diminishing living standards.
To demonstrate my skepticism towards the Europeans’ ability to leave behind their zombie banking system, unmarketable debt, and complete dependence on suppressing price discovery - consider the following policy reactions orchestrated by the European Central Bank (ECB) since the 2008-09 crisis:
• European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF)
• European Financial Stabilisation Mechanism (EFSM)
• European Stability Mechanism (ESM)
• Outright Monetary Transactions (OMT)
• Long Term Refinancing Operation (LTRO)
• Long Term Refinancing Operation II (LTRO)
• Long Term Refinancing Operation III (LTRO)
• Tripartite Committee consisting of ECB, IMF, EC agreement (TROIKA)
• Forced austerity and bailouts of Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece, Spain
• Activation of FED USD Swap Lines
• Asset Purchase Program (APP)
• Corporate sector purchase programme (CSPP)
• Public sector purchase programme (PSPP)
• Asset-backed securities purchase programme (ABSPP)
• Covered Bond Purchase Programme (CBPP)
• Covered Bond Purchase Programme II (CBPP)
• Covered Bond Purchase Programme III (CBPP)
• Pandemic Emergency Purchase Programme (PEPP)
• Quantitative Easing (QE)
• Zero Interest Rate Policy (ZIRP)
• Negative Interest Rate Policy (NIRP
etc..

Hi, question: how many people here first checked credibility of the media involved? Don't worry, they seem legit, I am really just wondering because I quite recently found out that not many people really checks the sources when news like this appear. Please vote: "I checked" = upvote, "I didn't check" = downvote. Thank you.
- I just came to shit on the Heritage Foundation, regardless of the veracity of the headline. Can I stay?
  
  Hmmm... Okay you can stay ;P

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