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OK, so was there collusion?

I'm in the alternative fashion section... I know this opinion might be unpopular... But yeah I like conventional "I'm a goth" "I'm a punk" clothing, so this is not me dropping by to dunk on alt clothes.

I just don't like what bumps up into cosplaying.

It's just so contrary to the fashion of the times that it has no reference point and immediately looks ridiculous to me. Oh, of course, I understand how this looks very cool in the right context, just like the elegant clothing of a 17th century monarch can look very cool, or how some classic Roman toga can be extremely fashionable...

But walking around like you live in a steampunk universe can only work at a convention where other people are doing it.

.... I knew this white gal who was a weeb and had a very gorgeous kimono, and once she put it on to wear it to meet some Japanese people downtown and... I mean, what a nice girl she was, but it ws just collectively embarrassing and attention drawing, so much so that the Japanese people actually finished dinner early and went off somewhere else without her... Yet, the kimono looked fine. It's just... overpoweringly decontextualized that it drowns out everything else, and then it has this element of "you don't belong in this."

Sure, a Pakistani man in traditional clothes does look out of place walking around the mall... But he is also a Pakistani, so while we immediately see him and think he must be some kind of traditional Muslim who is new to this place and outside our culture, he at least has the benefit of probably being exactly that...

But nobdoy can be like "Oh man I an ethnic steampunk and have just shown up from a nation on an alternative timeline where coal-powered industrial revolution never ceased..!"

Grok went on to state the following:

It seems likely that Sarah Grace Patrick's information is publicly available because she is being tried as an adult in Georgia for murder, given she is 17 years old. Research suggests that in Georgia, 17-year-olds charged with serious crimes like murder are automatically treated as adults, making their identities public. The evidence leans toward there being no federal laws overriding this state practice, as juvenile justice is primarily handled at the state level.

So, that's why (should all be same link as above

I am not sure as I do not work at the media outlet, but I can tell you this...

You know why you get so many "Florida man" stories?

It's because there is some law or policy that forces the police of Florida to disclose all the details in criminal proceedings. This is quite unique in the US. Resutlingtly, we get all these absurd crime stories since the details are publicly available very early without some journalist having to go and spend hours sitting through trials.

This case it out of Georgia.. I have no idea what their policies are. I decided to look around, and I did find some interesting legal precedents at this Reporters Committee webpage:

Even where juvenile proceedings are closed, the Supreme Court has made clear that a court may not “punish the truthful publication of an alleged juvenile delinquent’s name lawfully obtained by a newspaper.” Smith v. Daily Mail Publ’g Co., 443 U.S.97, 105-06 (1979). In Oklahoma Publishing Co. v. District Court, 430 U.S. 308, 308 (1977), the Court likewise reversed an order that “enjoined members of the news media from ‘publishing, broadcasting, or disseminating, in any manner, the name or picture of [a] minor child’ in connection with a juvenile proceeding involving that child then pending in that court.”

OK, interesting - this appears to be on the Federal level.

There apparently was a law prior to 1977 that prohibited it:

Even where juvenile proceedings are closed, the Supreme Court has made clear that a court may not “punish the truthful publication of an alleged juvenile delinquent’s name lawfully obtained by a newspaper.” Smith v. Daily Mail Publ’g Co., 443 U.S. 97, 105–106 (1979). In Oklahoma Publishing Co. v. District Court, 430 U.S. 308, 308 (1977), the Supreme Court likewise reversed an order that “enjoined members of the news media from ‘publishing, broadcasting, or disseminating, in any manner, the name or picture of [a] minor child’ in connection with a juvenile proceedings involving that child then pending in that court.”

But it seems to be the case when no crime has been committed, it may be illegal to photograph and identify juveniles in certain jurisdictions:

The Eleventh Circuit has not issued a definitive ruling on photographing or identifying juveniles. This will vary by jurisdiction.

1st Circuit ?Even where juvenile proceedings are closed, the Supreme Court has made clear that a court may not “punish the truthful publication of an alleged juvenile delinquent’s name lawfully obtained by a newspaper.” Smith v. Daily Mail Publ’g Co., 443 U.S. 97, 105-06 (1979). In Oklahoma Publishing Co. v. District Court, 430 U.S. 308, 308 (1977), the Court likewise reversed an order that “enjoined members of the news media from ‘publishing, broadcasting, or disseminating, in any manner, the name or picture of [a] minor child’ in connection with a juvenile proceeding involving that child then pending in that court.”

Specifically for Georgia, we see the following:

As a matter of statute, Georgia courts may permit electronic recording, transmission, videotaping, motion picture and still photography of judicial proceedings involving minors. O.C.G.A. § 15-11-700(h). The Georgia juvenile code purports to authorize judges to “order the media not to release identifying information concerning any child or family members or foster parent or other caretaker of a child involved in hearings open to the public.” O.C.G.A. § 15-11-700(i).

Some states are strict, though... For instance, here's North Dakota:

Juvenile proceedings are closed under N.D.C.C. § 27-20-51, including records identifying the juvenile. However, general information not identifying any juvenile, witness, or victim can be requested and released under N.D.C.C. § 27-20-51(7).

So, i twould appear to be the case that if this crime had occurred in North Dakota, there is a chance that nobody would know the identity of the girl. However, SCOTUS has seemingly ruled that if the identity was leaked, it could more or less be published.

I then decided to just throw this big question to Grok, some quick points:

• juveniles are protected officially by the state of Georgia unless their case has been transferred to adult court.
• in rare cases of open courts for juvenile cases, the identity may be disclosed.

In the proces, I found out that there is actually a federal precedent for all this (probably should have took time to organize this and put it at the top):

Federal Juvenile Delinquency Act (18 U.S.C. § 5031 et seq.): This act governs federal juvenile delinquency proceedings and emphasizes confidentiality. It restricts the public release of juvenile names and records in federal cases unless the juvenile is tried as an adult. For example, 18 U.S.C. § 5038 mandates that juvenile records in federal proceedings are sealed, and the identity of the juvenile is not disclosed publicly unless specific exceptions apply (e.g., transfer to adult court for serious felonies). This sets a precedent that influences state practices but does not directly mandate state-level confidentiality.

Yet, you also see this:

No Mandatory Federal Standard for Public Identification: Unlike some federal privacy laws (e.g., FERPA for educational records), there is no comprehensive federal statute requiring states to prohibit the public identification of juvenile suspects. States have discretion to set their own policies, which is why Georgia’s strict confidentiality rules are primarily grounded in state law.

So, a suspect who is being pursued or hasn't been charged can apparently have their infomation released to be tracked down.

Grok

OK, so define Christianity.

I think when they expressed

"It's possible others are involved as well," Hulsey said.

they are stating they are open to the idea that the teenager had assistance in executing the murders, not that she is an innocent victim here, too, and had nothing to do with the murders.

I am a non-driver and I did used to do long-distance cycling to get here and there but I liked the meme because this sudden reference to Kamikazes was hilarious, IMO.

But I do accept that this meme has fallen flat, lol.

Sadly I'm a Philistine when it comes to this.

Oh, I enjoy art, yes, and once upon a time I learned a lot about the various famous artists and some of the more obscure French artists, but I find I just lack that je ne sais quoi to follow more amateur and obscure artists.

But I'll follow this Abigail.

Fact: people with shitty tattoos are down voting this.

Was just coming here to report that, yes

Thanks

Yeah this is quite true, which is why I am proud of the breeders and shops out there that now advertise that they are mixing their purebred dogs to some degree with dogs of other races, making dogs that are 1/4 something else, 3/4 Golden Retriever, or some such.

This is how it should be done to make the breeds collectively healthier by consistently injecting more genetic diversity.

lol

Yes - was disappointed his mugshot wasn't the thumbnail.

Honestly, the guys mugshot was the only reason this caught my eye and I wanted to share it, lol.

To be completely fair, family formation generally costs so much that there aren't a lot of families - conventional families at the bottom dependent on social safety nets.

One of the big issues behind this is that many people refuse to form families because they are worried that they do not have enough to provide.

Related:

Russian strikes killed at least four people and wounded more than 30 others across Ukraine overnight, regional officials said on Monday.

Two people died in the Sumy region in the east and one in the Odesa region in the south, Ukraine's state emergency services said in a post on Telegram.

France 24

More:

The St. Paul field office for Homeland Security Investigations recently posted on X the names and arrest photos of men from Laos or Thailand that the agency said were living in the country illegally and had a criminal record. The posts said most are in their 40s and labeled them convicted sex offenders.

...

Some Hmong Minnesotans say they suspect many of the decades-old arrests that led to the deportations were a result of Hmong culture encouraging girls as young as 14 to date and even marry older men, which is against the law in the United States. Their lives in Southeast Asia often lacked education, several Hmong Minnesotans said, and they often did not understand American laws.

They say these men served their time and that deportation amounts to double jeopardy.

Star Tribune via archive

[Long post ahead - I am sorry it is so long but I don't have time to edit it and am just going to hit enter.]

The post focused on the more common problem of suffering among adults as a result of their choices, but I fully acept what you are saying since it needs to be addressed. I am simply stating that the focus of that particular post was not really directly related to our topic, but that was the source of the quote.

So, a two-year old does not need to be forgiven any sins - that is exactly correct, zero issues there.

However, the suffering of an animal is even a lesson to us, and animals also are incapable of sin. The suffering of someone I did not know but who I heard about, or whose picture I saw, or who I even just thought of as a possibility - like the rhetorically useful starving kid in Africa - are actually all realities that impact me and how I live, right.

I appreciate every time I eat a meal without meat in it because I think of the factory farms out there. I think of all the wonderful animals I have met. I think of videos of even birds showing gratittude and friendship with humans, right...

Similarly, the suffering of children I do not know makes my own concept of life more appreciated, and it makes me more committed to living a better life.

So I would sitll insist: every single bit of suffering in the world and every single temptation serves a purpose for our repentance.

Right now, as an alcoholic, I feel even a kinship with people who are meth addicts or gambling addicts that have thrown their lives away... And every time I sit down with some people who are ordering booze, I feel a little bit itchy and a little bit... desirous of alcohol, wanting a drink, wanting things to be different... And I remember those people, as well as two friends who killed themselves eventually while alcoholics, and I think of my friend who was beaten routinely by a drunken step-dad... and I feel that extra motivation to be better.

The reality that we all endure - that is so common it becomes tropes - animates us all, right?

Like you may not have had a grandmother or aunt who was beaten physically by some rotten old patriarch, or a family member or acquaintrance of the family that was exploited s3xually by someone in those darker times... But your own rejection of the patriarchy is powered by the collective recognition that women suffered obscenely for years from it, right?

So, in a very real sense, the fleeting nature of life and the suffering many endure make us better, IMO.

I have thought about this more... Suicide is always terrible, and the fact that so many men seem to go through with it is something that deserves to be studid and focused on.

Of course women's mental health is important, but I do understand that this seems to disproportionately impact men who have the highest... "clearance" rate for suicide, you could say.

Thanks.

Yes, I firmly believe that the innocent children will go to heaven. I also think a substantial amount of non-Christians who die in adulthood will also go to heaven, for they will be judged based on their hearts, and I think that many of these people are very good and very sincere. I live in a non-Christian country, and that is how I feel about my neighbors - many , many of them will be in the Kingdom of God.

But I urge people, nonetheless, towards Christianity, because the only certain way that I can point to for having peace on this earth and peace in the next life is through Christianity... To clarify my point on this.

I recently had a long debate about this that turned bitter with another Christian who was theologically some kind of arch-conservative that tried to convince me the opposite was true, and even though I felt he presented the strongest, most Biblical case you could, as he was a very eloquent and intelligent man, I still did not budge and am completely convinced that his perspective on this is wrong, and that it goes against even how conservative, traditional Christians view this.

I'd gladly elaborate if you like.

But I do want you to know... I am a conservative on most theological issues... and I fully believe the above statement. I am not blowing smoke up anyone's rear to win points.