Graffiti seen in Barcelona, Catalonia
Sagan @ Sagan @piefed.social Posts 0Comments 13Joined 1 mo. ago
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I was ready to pay more as my salary is much higher than an average salary from a local company (and I know, my gf has a local salary).
Remove the higher salaries from a place and rents will drop as nobody can afford higher rents. They did during covid, when a lot of people left Barcelona.
And let's be honest, I came from a good work situation to another good work situation, my move has nothing to do with being a refugee.
Hello,
Not sure if you're still in Barcelona, but there is !barcelona@piefed.social
I am myself a foreigner in Barcelona, and I'm well aware that me coming here pushes out local people out of the city.
Not sure why you're so defensive about it, is it a widely documented phenomenon.
Over the past decade, Lisbon has undergone a startling metamorphosis, shifting from one of Europe’s most affordable capitals to its most unaffordable. This dramatic change is evident in the skyrocketing house prices, which surged by 176% across the city between 2014 and 2024 and by over 200% in its historic central districts. Today, Lisbon leads Europe’s housing unaffordability rankings, a stark reflection of its home price-to-income ratio. This trend isn’t confined to the capital; nationally, Portugal has plummeted from 22nd out of 27 EU countries for housing unaffordability in 2015 to first place today. For a country where 60% of taxpayers earn less than €1,000 per month, securing a rental in Lisbon below that price is only feasible if one is willing to occupy 20 square metres or less.
Simultaneously, both the hotel industry and the short-term rental sector received significant promotion, alongside initiatives designed to attract tourists, digital nomads, international students, and transient young professionals. The impact on Lisbon’s historic centre has been dramatic, with half of all homes now holding a short-term rental licence, a figure that escalates to 70 out of every 100 in the most tourist-saturated areas. Compared to the city’s population, Lisbon’s short-term rental density is six times higher than Barcelona’s and 3.5 times higher than London’s. Furthermore, the number of hotels in the city has tripled since 2010, rising from approximately 100 to 300, with plans for around 50 more already approved by the city council. This phenomenon is not unique to Lisbon, playing out across other European cities, particularly in Southern Europe, where residents are increasingly pushing back through protests.
https://movingmarkets.org/lisbons-housing-crisis-a-capital-transformed-a-city-divided/
Greedy real instate investors bought everything there because there was a demand from non Portuguese people with much higher salaries than the locals.
You don't see that type of phenomenon in random towns in the Portuguese back country
Yes indeed. I think in Europe the worst is probably Lisbon, that has basically been overrun by foreigners, but that's a common phenomenon in all major cities.
It's a bit different, Amsterdam and Paris are touristic destinations, but not to the same level as Barcelona.
By absolute numbers, Paris has obviously more visitors (22 millions vs 13 for Barcelona and 10 for Amsterdam), but Paris is much more populated than Barcelona.
Also, the type of tourism is quite different. Amsterdam and Paris are more expensive, while Barcelona is still seen as a cheaper destination, which brings a different type of crowd. On the same topic, the average level of income of the people living in Barcelona is quite lower than people living in Paris or Amsterdam, making it even more difficult for people living in Barcelona to compete against either tourists or "digital nomads" coming here to work without paying taxes locally.
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Not sure if anyone who lives here hasn't seen it yet, but !barcelona@piefed.social is a thing.
Copy pasted from another comment, the mayor who announced the decision made it so that it would applied after the end of his tenure (that will end in 2027, the decision is supposed to happen in 2028)
The other issue is that even besides tourism, Barcelona is a very attractive city for Spanish people due to the work opportunities, and there is definitely a lack of supply for the housing market. Getting back the Airbnb would help with the mass tourism (which is an issue of its own), but the housing crisis might still be there for a while.
For more details: https://www.euronews.com/travel/2024/07/22/the-end-of-airbnb-in-barcelona-what-does-the-tourism-industry-have-to-say
I live here (!barcelona@piefed.social), the mayor who announced the decision made it so that it would applied after the end of his tenure (that will end in 2027, the decision is supposed to happen in 2028)
The other issue is that even besides tourism, Barcelona is a very attractive city for Spanish people due to the work opportunities, and there is definitely a lack of supply for the housing market. Getting back the Airbnb would help with the mass tourism (which is an issue of its own), but the housing crisis might still be there for a while.
I'll switch to English as I'm a non native
As I said earlier, !esp@chachara.club is probably more generalist, and would be easier to keep active than an "English speaking community about Spanish for non native"
Let's not forget that this community was never actually active in the first place, there are 4 posts total. It was created by https://sopuli.xyz/u/hesburger who just created a bunch of communities without ever posting to them.
If we look at French, another important language, at the moment there is mostly !forumlibre@jlai.lu, mostly in French, but if someone wants to ask a question about French is possible too.
https://sopuli.xyz/post/20107838/13482776
Even English doesn't have any active dedicated community https://sopuli.xyz/search?q=English+&type=Communities&listingType=All&page=1&sort=TopAll
People would just ask questions on one of the generic Ask communities
If that community hadn't been created by hesburger, would anyone else think it would need to exist?
Ya veremos. Mi experiencia es que este tipo de comunidades de nicho tienen dificultades para mantenerse activas dado el tamaño actual de Lemmy, y que una comunidad más general como !esp@chachara.club será más fácil de mantener viva, pero podemos hablar de ello nuevamente en unas semanas.
Actualmente soy el principal colaborador de !barcelona@piefed.social, y había pensado en crear otra comunidad sobre la lengua catalana (!xerrameca@chachara.club), pero al final nunca llegó a despegar. Desde entonces prefiero mantener todo en !barcelona@piefed.social.
Si quieres, pero mi experiencia me dice que no hay suficiente gente en Lemmy para tener una comunidad nicho de este tipo.
Además, el hecho de que la comunidad se llame "Spanish" es un poco irónico; "espanol" probablemente sería más apropiado (y, de nuevo, !esp@chachara.club se llama "esp" precisamente por eso).
Porque no utilizar otras commuidades con activos usarios, como ?
I definitely get that. Are you still in Spain or have you moved abroad ?