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  • the history of liberation struggles are out there and relatively easy to find if you’re willing to read up on political thinkers like Harriett Tubman, Malcom X, Frederick Douglas, Martin Luther King Jr, bell hooks, Nikki Giovanni, Carter G Woodson, Rosa Parks, Daisey Bates, Fannie Lou Hamer, Audre Lorde, Clara Luper, Toni Morrison, and Bayard Rustin.

    Hahaha, ok, now you're objectively trolling. You say I should read up on liberation and "pan-Africanism" by reading 14 Usans and 0 non-Usans?! In the same comment as you write "read theory and history somewhere other than the eurocentric"?!? lmao

    You're trying to colonise leftist internationalism. Why would we look to the USA instead of,e.g., Vietnam?

  • also, i beg of you, when you talk about Black politics, capitalize the “B”. leaving it lowercase makes you look like a performative shitlib who doesn’t know shit about fuck about what pan African and abolitionist movements stand for. you criticize americans for not knowing about leftist politics but you alienate the most progressive and left americans by using the signifiers of white supremacy instead of the ones preferred by the very people you claim you want to coalition with world wide. which is part of why i say i can’t explain it to you, because you’re making me so fucking angry with this uninformed shit that it’s making it impossible to coalition build.

    Ironic that you start policing language/punctuation while trying to break woke stereotypes.

    you criticize americans for not knowing about leftist politics but you alienate the most progressive and left americans

    Yes, that is exactly my intention. Driving wreckers out is important.


    You think the woke movement "belongs to" the 0.5% of people who are African-American, and you equate it with the entire struggle against oppression and colonialism.

    The anti-colonial struggle certainly does not "belong to" the USA. They want the whole hog: possession of the pro-colonial and anti-colonial movements.

    Look at what happened here. The founder of Irish Republicanism, Wolfe Tone, said that the aim was "to break the connection with England". The 20th century Republicans got influenced by the Usan 'civil rights' ideology and lost the war. There were many factors behind the defeat of anti-colonial struggle (military & intel factors), but adopting an alien ideology from the imperial core didn't help. We should have stuck to our homegrown ideology and broken the connection with the imperialists.


    Even by your own focus, empowering that 0.5%, the woke movement is a historical failure and has driven them right. Here's some analysis of why: https://web.archive.org/web/20250724121358/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/07/24/opinion/minority-voters-trump-right.html


    The anti-colonial movement does not belong to the imperial core: it belongs to the revolutionaries and class-conscious workers&peasants of the world. And most of us are not obsessed with skin-colour (or punctuation!) like the Usan media wants us to be.


    i won’t be able to do it without getting really angry and unkind.... i can’t explain it to you, because you’re making me so fucking angry with this uninformed shit that it’s making it impossible to coalition build.

    Exactly. The wokes always crumble when someone disagrees with them, and resort to emotions and censorship. Because their point is moral grandstanding, not building a sensible movement. The leftist ThirdWorldist movement dgaf about these things, and are able to take pushback without becoming overwhelmed by emotion. That's necessary to build success.

  • countries are becoming “less moral”

    Years ago people used to think that Europe was morally superior to the rest of the world. I don't think they're pushing that line any more. So yes moral narratives are less relevant in geopolitics.

  • Doesn't really apply to a flame war tho.

    The right know they can't win the economic argument. Everyone's purchasing power is going down and living standards are stagnating.

    That's why they push the 'woke' stuff and divide the workers. It's common sense. Why else would right-wing platforms like Google,Facebook,Newscorp be plastered with this "no neutral! You have to pick a side!" shite?

  • french resistance, german resistance, italian anti-fascists, polish resistance, jewish resistance, and ukrainians who....

    Right. Groups totally unrelated to the 'woke' thingy people are talking about in this thread e.g. here and here

    It's not like we're going to learn anything useful about leftism from the USA. They've done nothing but ratchet their country rightward for decades.

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