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Most of the referendum laws sponsored by voters are Constitutional Amendments that take an extra supermajority of 3/4 I think to overturn them. Others like Florida it is just statutory law and when they passed that law allowing felons to vote the lawmakers just jammed it up with other laws so only like 200 of them were registered to vote election time.

Part of the difference now is that before it was the National Security type people that had the information, no the politicians themselves will be able to access it, as well as numerous outside groups able to hack the system. So it is a world of difference even if the internet is compromised on a basic level. Especially now with these computer programs able to sort and make assumptions however unfounded about people.

Tesla is already 100 times overvalued at a minimum, this would be 800 times. Their intrinsic value is not more than 10 billion, and that is before Elon alienated half of the West with his Nazi bullshit and government actions.

Holy shit, you did not make a typo, that is real they're proposing to give him that. Holy shit, or Unholy shit as the case may be

Well, the Tribunate helped curtail be Patricians excesses for 400 plus years. Quite a bit longer than we have as a country.

I think they got their first ones around 500 BC when the plebs did a general strike encamping to a hill.

Then they had another general strike what was it 300 BC ish where they got more tribunes and got some other reforms.

Too long that poor oil has been held down, segregated, just because it is heavy crude with a high sulfur content It suffers rampant bigotry.

The government and taxpayers did not receive a single benefit from Iraq or Afghanistan despite paying for it all.

And yes true to form the CIA used money from the drug trade to pay for Black Ops we can presume.

But that does not mean that our political leaders and their donor Pals did not get oil from Iraq. All gains are privatized and kicked back to the polits.

We would not invade, they would blow shit up, blow up their infrastructure, bomb them. Even they are not stupid enough to do an invasion at this point in time.

What they would do is try to seduce a faction of the army to initiate a coup, maybe in that case we might contribute some troops to a specific action to help. I don't think these guys are capable enough to pull that off though.

Cold War 2, the fascist boogaloo and the enemy within.

It is hard to appreciate anything the European Union is doing with their chat control.

I do not know if they are also trying to put everyone into the masturbatorbase, for national security purposes many governments now need to know every page you have considered whacking off to.

Also just so happens connecting your likeness and ID to your IP allows them to see everything you do and say online.

For the kids. The kids that will also have everything they do and say recording.

Did elon's ridiculously high payment of $60 billion or whatever it was go through? And what was that just for one year?

The intrinsic value of the entire company is not more than 10 billion. The stock market is a joke.

It is not limited to the tech Nazis. Is a fairly large group of super rich, but I would add Elon Musk is just beef front clown of thiel and his technofascists. I think some yarvin fellow is the Brain Trust on it.

They want a market free from antitrust enforcement.

Preferably one with barriers to entry for new players.

Luckily for them that is exactly what they have. Or exactly as they have engineered I should say.

I agree with almost all of that, I would frame it as the aristocracy working for the investor class having seized the left options of all of our parties. We have choices between conservatives, and fascists now. Or far right or whatever the case may be.

Where we differ is that Russia has indeed been sponsoring fascists across the West. Now the US will be as well. They themselves are not all that dissimilar from fascists either.

Establishment propaganda notwithstanding Russia is helping fascists seize control in Western countries, partly I presume because they know these dumbass fascists will ruin their countries and allow them not only revenge but to take a more commanding position in the world. Not the least with the US.

They're doing the world that disservice though, innumerable harms will result from fascists in the US let alone the Domino's that are going to fall across the rest of the West.

What we need is a restoration of the post-war years until the seventies when the Business Roundtable made a long game to overturn the New Deal and resulting reforms that led to the prosperity of the working class, never before rivaled in history. Not now obviously. We are quite rivaled in prosperity, well eclipsed by Western europe.

Obviously it wasn't perfect in the post-war years but the rich after an obscene level of pay face 90% taxes. Banks could only operate in three states, consumer and Commercial Banking was separate, an originator of a Financial Security had to hold a percentage of that security until maturity, and Anti-Trust laws were enforced to name just a few achievements that have been undone in our modern era.

You are right that dropping the Constitution and making something new would lead to something worse at this moment in time. The Constitution is a solid framework however lacking it may be, it is just it is not honored by our political and Judicial Systems. We need a restoration.

The problem is they don't care what we think. They think they can just bully us into voting for the lesser of two evils indefinitely as if the Republicans are not going to fix elections. The Democratic Leadership and power Brokers are hopeless.

Without new leadership we are fucked and 2028 might be our last chance before the fix is in tight. And it will have to be a popular aggressive campaign to overcome the fixes they are going to put in already.

A lot of people are voting reform, we all know they don't know what the Republicans are necessarily.

With the Democrats running as the status quo in this time of the plutocratic stealing of our lunches, this was inevitable with Republicans running as a reform.

These Democrats need focus groups and studies to tell them what they should know already. Instead of making public opinion with a strong campaign they just play to the campaigns started by others.

We need new leadership. No shit, popular politicking is more popular in popular elections.

It was just decorum putting assets in trusts for prez, modern era laws did restrict other officials to some degree.

In 2016 the Republicans just refused to honor those laws and nobody held them to account, now they are not really bothering to pretend. Open corruption.

The Constitution does forbid emoluments, but that is ignored by our captured (in)justice department.

I am intrigued as to their system of electing two of everything. I think that could help alleviate a lot of our problems. Two attorney generals, to secretaries of Agriculture or state, Etc.

More than anything though I think we should reestablish the Tribunate, vested with the power to veto government actions and offer sanctuary and all that.