kreskin @ kreskin @lemmy.world

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Pushing them as boogiemen has always been a self-owning take. Maybe they are adversaries but acting as reactionary as we do is counter productive, and they arent stupid people-- they capitalize on our stupidity. They are a great power and a great civilization, and we treat them like they are some third world tinpot tyrants. All that said, there are clearly differences between them and the west that needs respectful discussion that we arent bothering to engage in. If we are going to exercise influence in that area but also globally-- instead of paddling around there like arrogant hick dipshits lets get on with it and be serious about it.

This is like “it was promised 3000 years ago” levels of irrelevant.

If we go by time for relevance isnt everything in Jewish and Christian holy books irrelevant too then? When does Jewish history start again, can you remind me?

And you bring up nazis if I mention historical facts you dont want to talk about? I'm not a nazi. I beleive in universal human rights and dignity. Thats what so many of my comments are so very anti-israel. They are the ones whose actions are so like nazi actions, and you are the one helping them by throwing around accusations whenever you don't like historical facts. I think the nazi here is much more you than me, but hey, you do you, Herr friendo.

Didnt Isaac, the second of the 3 patriarchs of judaism, try to sacrifice his son at gods command only to be stopped at the last possible second by an angel, who gave instruction to Isaac to sacrifice a ram instead?
The takeaway for jewish people in that story is that they should no longer sacrifice their children, but animals instead. So um why was that story ever even needed if it was completely irrelevant to judiasm?

But everyone loses their mind when we talk about the history of sacrifice in Judaism at all, it seems. Its an unfortunate fact of history that it was done, and you cant revise your way out of that fact. Little bit late to control and whitewash that narrative, that ship has sailed whether you like it or not. Judaism evolved over time and is not what it once was, thats a fact. You can google "when was human sacrifice outlawed in Judaism" and you will see it was a reform of judaism, not a founding idea. Fact.

I suppose you could try to burn a bunch of books to try to get rid of those historical facts? I think people like yourself burning books would be right on brand, right? You'll need to burn down google too I guess.

Yeah. Seems to me that the Epstein ring was a world changing operation for Israel. I'm sure they started a new one and didnt just give up the whole method. Theres almost certainly a new Israeli pedo extortion ring running somewhere right now.

I reject your finely minced framing and choose to blanket hate the whole massively evil country, thanks.

I feel like pedantic parsing like yours dishonestly runs defense against those on the left attacking the core of the problem: which is the constitution/basic laws/existsnce of Israel as a state. Arguments like: "Sure 82% of Israelis want to forcefully deport every arab from all land they control, but some tiny percentage of them (way under 18%) dont support that so how can you be against the whole country????"

You place yourself bodily between people seeking justice for all humanity vs Israel, and use the tiny proportion of Israeli leftists as unwilling hostages against global calls for Israeli accountability for genocide and overwhelming support for ethnic cleansing and a continuation of 80 years of murderous abuse and state sponsored theft. I say the israeli government cant continue and cant/wont change, so it has to end, and that region be put under some adult leadership.

You don't believe that do you. By the nature of all your previous publicly available comments, you think Israel must exist for the Jewish people, by the Jewish people. So I think your opinion is crap, and your framing in this instance is contrived, dishonest and manipulative.

Depends on who is in charge after they get deported. From that article: "The administration never misses an opportunity to gratuitously antagonize its allies on the ICC," said Dicker. "But it's also true that the new law has more loopholes than a block of Swiss cheese."

yep, it basically always circles back to land theft and zionist racism.

And the US likes boogieman racism, religion and money, so we ally with Israel.

Ironically the US government has always stated that Iran is a natural culturally similar partner to the US, if we could ever get over our existing bad relationship and the reach of religious extremists in Iran. If Iranian and American commoners all sat down together at a bbq, highly likely we see a lot of similarities and like each other. Pretty effed up state of affairs.

There is no just war (Pope Francis, 2022)

I dont think a lot of people understood what a groundbreaking, radical change this was when Francis made it. Doctrine says clearly that there are a limited number of conditions for a catholic to participate in violence, basically self defense, to prevent others from certain harm, or a just war. Francis removed one of the key reasons cited for catholic to engage in nationalistic warfare without damning their souls.

And given-- Francis was also far from perfect. But he had giant balls and a sense to at least try to do the right thing. Even as an atheist, I miss that guy. What a legendary Chad. (the modern complimentary form of chad).

And stuff like this is exactly why the vatican is generally hostile to popes with a Jesuit background.

(I'm a Gen X ex-catholic)

This sounds pretty reasonable to me. We could even start with some sort of third party impartial place interested in Justice, like the Hague. We deliver them there and let Iran and the world decide how we get to a Just end to this conflict.

Let Netanyahu come defend trump in person too if he wants to. Israel is definitely invited to the trial at the Hague.

Yeah...I upvote like that sometimes when I tiredly agree but dont know what else there is to say. Then I revisit later to see if reinforcements are needed.

agreed, all of politics is not exactly "real". Its a shared conceptual structure and a "game" we humans keep making up for ourselves to play. We can choose just not to play this game anymore and play by new rules. "The system"is not immortal and immutable, its just a conceptual construct we all agree exists, and is easy enough to follow such that our day runs predictably. If enough of us state that we are playing a new game instead, people everywhere will need to decide which game they want to play: the cruel shitty one that oppresses them or some new one.

As much as I've liked AOC in the past, she needs to stay progressive or she needs to go. We cant indulge ourselves with cult of personality politics over issues, we have to stick with issue based stances informed by reputation. If she goes the wrong way on issues she gets her hand slapped and takes a reputation hit. If she does it too many times, she gets the boot from progressivism and she can go try her luck with the centrists. Those have to be progressivisms rules or we will get played, if not now then by some future fake progressive.

I live in the dark dark blue state of Hawaii and the only way to run for office here is on the D ticket, so we see lots of fake dems sprout up, and pretend to be progressive until they can leverage incumbency instead. Voting blue no matter who is definitely a way to get completely played if you vote in elections here, and political strategists understand how to exploit this dynamic very well.

I am being hateful yes. I hate genociders and supremacists and theres nothing wrong with that. Its good to not be at all tolerant of those things or those people. They do not deserve my tolerance. Its a free service that sane, thinking people provide in society. You are welcome.

You should be conscious of rule 7 off to the right, do you see that no zionism and no genocide support rules there? Maybe you got lost looking for the zionism and fascism threads?

Making it contingent on Vance's cooperation is a good way to kill it from step 0. Pure theater. Invoking the 25th need not require anything of Vance.

I hope the ICE agent ends up in prison, not with a simple fine.

Bin Laden said it was to wake people up to the evils being done to the Palestinian people.

Vance is lucky the pope is the forgiving type. Anyone else on the planet would rip this couchfucking trump-brownnoser a new arsehole for such an absurd comment. Trying to milk this trumps VP role is only going to land Vance eventually in prison. Cant come soon enough.

Bad pic, Vance doesnt begin to deserve such a fro.

you think "project managers" are the ones who champion the balance of security vs business results? Thats not their job, at all, nor are they typically equipped with enough influence to push on that. This comment shows that you dont work within the system I am complaining about. Its Sr leaders, product people, or sometimes architects who push that balance.

I agree but I also .. dont know how. It seems like in the US it has to take the form of some kind of more active reformation than we have managed to imagine. No insult intended to people who are doing things now. What we all do seems like telling critically ill people to eat more salad and then we sort of stop there. It seems to me that our current methods are not going to be enough to get to real change.

I have mostly given up hope on working within the dems, (and the repubs obviously arent worth talking about) We dont seem to have the time for that 2-3 steps forward 2-3 steps back sort of progress we get working within corrupt DNC machinations.

I dont exactly want to be a complainer who cant recommend a better solution, but I also am currently not interested in being a guerilla in the woods. We need to figure out something in between.

If we can show people how, they will do it.