Skavau @ Skavau @piefed.social

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It's funny because for new low-traffic communities now, Reddit is worse than the Fediverse in my opinion. The Fediverse has an effective catalog on every instance, you can search instances, you can rename your community to be more visible (you can't do this on reddit). I would also suggest you look into Piefed, which has even more tools here.

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I care about that far less than I care about not having every vote I cast recorded forever by anyone subscribed to the fediverse feed.

Well I think there's a good argument that account vote history should disappear after X months anyway, as after that long it becomes worthless anyway. Which is how Piefed currently works by the way.

At the end of the day, brigading is mostly an ego thing anyway. If you just stop caring about votes then they can't hurt you.

It's not though. Brigading or just a small number of committed chronic downvoters can throttle the spread of a post. Downvote trolls can be a problem for small communities trying to build up as they can successfully bury threads. I managed to discover the serial downvoters on my old lemm.ee community and when I banned them (about 5 of them?) it had a huge impact. They didn’t all downvote /everything/ but they downvoted a lot of things, and they had no contribution to their names. Some of the accounts in question literally had no posting history. These accounts just existed to downvote.

Having votes be public doesn't actually fix the astroturfing problem anyway since it's still possible to just create sockpuppet accounts anyway.

Which are all visible publicly and can get banned, and in this case, get instance banned - not just community banned. It doesn't stop it from ever happening, but it's more likely you will get banned for that behaviour.

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A German neo-noir set in 1920s Germany, one of the most fascinating periods of modern history.

But sure I'll bite: so what if someone did that though - if that was their choice, then stupid as it might be, and regardless of how it may leave no content leftover after the downvote brigades got through with their efforts, but even so, if someone CHOSE that for themselves, then you have not explained why they should be prevented from screwing themselves over in that manner?

Oh, no I haven't said people should be prevented from downvoting. It's simply that on Lemmy, because you can be held accountable (righly or wrongly) by community mods for how you downvote on their community, that it mitigates compulsive downvoting.

Yeah, look at this. This is from r/television, sorted by new.

https://i.imgur.com/3pWsxw1.png

Look at the scores of EVERYTHING. Most stuff on there that doesn't soar (because its a notable news piece) gets heavily downvoted right out of the gate. I'm not saying all of those threads are great and deserve ++ upvotes, but you just never see this sort of thing at scale on Lemmy - and this is due to public voting practices.

I disagree. That some community owners are petty about it doesn't mean that it doesn't cultivate a wider high-trust community.

Americans arent exactly in a great position to judge right now.

Lemmy.zip has already blocked UK users and Lemmy.world will almost certainly do the same.

For clarity, lemmy.zip had blocked them months ago because the owner of lemmy.zip is based in the UK and theoretically could actually be fined. This is not the same situation as lemmy.world.

"in order to comply with recent british legislation, void.rehab will be blocking all connections from britain. furthermore, to prevent british users from using a vpn to bypass the block, void.rehab will be blocking all connections not from britain. thank you for understanding"

Huh?

Absolutely fine. Nearly at the subscription numbers that television@lemm.ee had. Weekend was slow, but that's common in TV as most news breaks across the weekdays and I personally refuse to post low-effort clips of Saturday night show comedians lol

What do you mean "centralise"? Into larger websites?

I highly doubt the US government would look fondly on a US-based service taking down a US-based social media site because Ofcom complained to them about them not adhering to local laws. Especially under this administration. It would be seen as foreign interference. And for that reason, I very much doubt Ofcom would ever do that. They'd just block the site violating OSA.

As a sidenote, I remember that UK has an odd and ancient "law" stating something in the lines "" (i.e. being anti-monarchy and advocating for the end of monarchy, even without any violent language/means but a pacific defense of anti-monarchy). I couldn't find it, nor I can remember the exact phrasing, but such a "law" threatens prison time for those who "dare" to "offend" the crowniness of UK Crown. Also, I'm not sure to what extent this law is applied in practice.

Given there's an active pro-republican campaign site I'd wager not at all.

If countries are capable of passing draconian laws against their own citizens, don't expect that those same countries couldn't go further to impose these laws beyond their own lawns, especially in times of interconnectedness.

UK against the USA? I think the UK isn't winning that.

"platforms must not host, share or permit content encouraging use of VPNs to get around age checks."

I'll also note that this doesn't seem to even be in the official documentation.

No, I mean I chose lemmy.world as the instance to show the announcement on.

Not when it comes to tech. You think the USA would let Saudi Arabia force the total shut-down of a USA-based site because they allowed people to make fun of Islam? Come on. Saudi Arabia just quiety blocks sites.

UK doesn’t have enough pull to start extraditing thousands of people for not complying with their weirdo laws.

I agree with you there too. The forum owners here fear Ofcom pressuring their hosts to force compliance, not extradition. I think its misguided and unlikely (especially for small arms of the fediverse) but it is what it is.

I think in practice Ofcom would just geoblock your site specifically.

Reddit is super-screwed then because its full of users doing exactly that anywhere this topic comes up.

Saudi Arabia has no soft power here. UK does.

Not saying that UK will here (I think they won't), but the relationship dynamics are a bit different.