Skavau @ Skavau @piefed.social

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Casting is a cool one. Maybe Spoilers too.

"Episode Discussion" is fine in principle, but the community isn't large enough imo where that would be necessary.

Well, it's not out yet. What do you watch then? Do you hold the same views about, I don't know, Mr. Robot and Severance?

Repeating myself here, but the community migration tool on Piefed is somewhat incomplete. it only migrates posts and comments locally to the incoming instance its moving to. What is needed for proper community migration is the ability to all instances to recognise comment migration. And ideally, the automatic rerouting of all subscribers to the new community.

Effectively making communities modular. Much of this is outside Rimus power (due to the Fediverse still being most Lemmy, but one day... one day)

Yes, but it only migrates posts and comments locally to the incoming instance its moving to. What is needed for proper community migration is the ability to all instances to recognise comment migration. And ideally, the automatic rerouting of all subscribers to the new community.

Effectively making communities modular. Much of this is outside Rimus power (due to the Fediverse still being most Lemmy, but one day... one day)

Television@piefed.social is now routinely in the top 50 communities day/week activity chart as seen on lemmy.world, with a peak position of like 27.

Yeah, Fallout is in many ways a sandbox - a premise, that can be played with. You need the aesthetics, the vibes (and good writing) but you have much more liberty.

North Korea is for thee, but not for me.

Yeah, I am just speaking as a general principle - not whatever happened here. Mass downvoting isn't at all observed like that anyway. It's the behaviour from some individual accounts that repeatedly downvote different threads from a specific community. So you'd be looking at habits across threads.

If in my community (for instance) someone was to come in and just downvote the entire first page, I'd probably ban them because that would just be a crude attempt to target it. And again: downvoting like that is worse for smaller communities trying to grow.

Anyone banning for downvoting is incredibly petty or thin skinned, just my observation. If it wasn't for the instance shutting down, it would have made a good post on yptb. Reading other comment threads on this post support the thin skinned theory imho. I just happened to be browsing all when I found the post. Looking at my subs, I wasn't subscribed to any community there.

What about in the context of mass-downvoters? I can't speak for Dubvee, but mass-downvoters do exist - and they can be corrosive for smaller communities trying to grow, as early downvotes of threads can effectively kill them. These are accounts that seem to primarily downvote and don't actually interact on-site, and have no real pattern to it. This kind of response has little to do with sensitivity.

Eh, I think trying to get an entire instance defederated because of a grievance with a particular community there that they won't back you up on might well be more effort personally.

Mods can, but also lemvotes exists as a tool for anyone to see it.

Why? To cultivate a high-trust culture.

Well this stuff can just as viably happen on Reddit.

Well this is where lemmy being federalised plays out. On Reddit, a community is basically completely captured by the first-movers if it has the name people are going to look up first. Lemmy allows people to compete with the same name, on different instances - and even on the same instance as the display name can be different to the original URL.

I mean, yeah, some instances will have rules that community moderators must abide by. In that case you could have some recourse. Then if they still back them, you could go on a wide "defederate this instance" campaign!

But at a certain point, is it worth the energy?

I mean I'm quite liberal on it. I know a number of users in my community that downvote a bit, but those users also actually post and have some interest in the subject matter - so I accept it.

But there really are accounts that have zero posts but downvote EVERYTHING.

In regards to people piling on and using downvotes in a form of a brigade attack, similar to review bombing pieces of media... While I dislike this profoundly and find it enormously toxic, it is still within the realm of public expression. If one means to silence it, one means to suppress the freedom for others to express themselves as both individuals and as a group. As much as I find it despicable or toxic in a lot of contexts, I can't bring myself to justify the act of banning this form of expression in showing discontent. Moderators of communities, particularly with particular topic focuses will need to ban people to deal with spam, abusive behaviour, trolling, off-topic conduct - to ultimately maintain the focus of their community.

It absolutely is in the form of public expression, but if I see someone downvoting all the posts on a community I run - and they never contribute, I will use the powers granted to me as a steward of that community to ban them. Mass-downvoting can be a problem for small communities as it can bury threads.

As for the rest of your post, I simply don't believe it's my responsibility in the communities I run, that have particular purposes, to play house to toxic and otherwise repulsive people with behavioural issues because of the societal impacts of social media engendering loneliness and maladaptive behaviour as a type of cope. Most communities will have a topic-focus and need to ban people just on that basis. Or for spam. Or for trolling. Or for abusive behaviour.

Are niche Communities correct for banning anyone who downvotes?

I'll just speak to this point generally.

Depends on the communities specific focus. Downvote trolls can be a problem for small communities trying to build up as they can successfully bury threads. I managed to discover the serial downvoters on my old lemm.ee communiy and when I banned them (about 5 of them?) it had a huge impact. They didn’t all downvote /everything/ but they downvoted a lot of things, and they had no contribution to their names. Some of the accounts in question literally had no posting history. These accounts just existed to downvote.

Now, I wouldn’t just ban random accounts for occasional downvotes - but if I kept seeing the same names on threads (and they never actually engaged with the community) with no discernable pattern of downvoting - I might.

Ignoring the "fascist" criticism, the fact that you reply to this with Fidel Castro as your PFP is amusing.

Well if you do want to throw donation money anywhere, there is always Piefed now.

Per the UK definitions, the concept of "NSFW" is deranged. I made a post on what Reddit is supposedly going to do here.