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That’s not how people use images. For an image format to be viable, you need your camera to support it, your gallery app/program to support it, the web sites you upload it to, the messaging platforms you share it through.

yes. i agree. but that's my exact point. if i make an image then upload it to the internet - the only software that's involved is on my side (gimp, ps, whatever[^1]) and the browser of the person viewing it. if it was supported in chromium, that's automatically available in chrome, edge, vivaldi, brave, discord, element, spotify, whatever other chromium-embedded or electron apps you care to name. given the (unfortunate) prominence of electron-based programmes nowadays; that's good enough for anyone who isn't a professional, and they're already fine. fuck it, it has the joint photographic experts group behind it - they're quite a big name in photography

Oh you’d be surprised… Gaming videos on Steam, screen recordings, porn clips by amateurs, or just random clips, the amount of low-res gifs with 10s of MB in size is crazy.

meh, i haven't seen any in the past ~5 years apart from ones specifically chosen for that 256 colour æsthetic; but i will believe you

Sure, it’s shitty of Google to drop the support, but from experience I’m still unfortunately 100% sure it wouldn’t have gotten anywhere.

Heck, Apple has been using HEIF for years and that’s a trillion dollar company with a huge market share, and you still get shitton of places where you can’t use it.

it did get places. it has got places. again, it's very new and is already well supported

jpeg2k failed because of licencing and royalty issues[^2]. heif hasn't spread because of licencing and royalty issues. ^{in my personal opinion, webp has licencing issues.} png didn't. jpeg (sort of) didn't. jxl doesn't.

but anyways, this isn't a pro-jxl comment; it's an anti-webp comment. i used jxl as an example of why webp, and its adoption, is making the web worse even though it's better than png from a technical standpoint

[^1]: or camera, you're right; but i'm pretty sure that A) there are some cameras that support it already, and B) again, the jpe group have a considerable amount of sway so i'm sure they could persuade most camera manufacturers to support it

[^2]: i mean, as well as the fact it didn't really bring anything new to the table. but that's a whole other point

Sorry, 5 graphics programs isn’t “support”. You need support from the millon mobile apps, web sites and image and web libraries. A format that you can only use by yourself or with a handful professionals is useless in practice.

i gave those because they're the most pertinent programmes for people dealing with creating & editing images. there are mobile (or at least android) libraries; and web is the issue i'm talking about - it's hampered by chromium. there are more here if you're interested.

and i'd say that's not bad for a format that's only a few years old

Ed: look at the list of formats supported by XnView

i don't know what this is supposed to mean. xnview supports jxl

There’s been hundreds of new image formats in the last ~20 years, and none has gotten anywhere.

because png is good. i'm not defending gif or jpeg, they suck. but png is simple, fast to decode, and open by design. there have been better formats, but not paradigm shiftingly better. it may not be the best as an image format, but it is good

Even PNG needed a decade for some things to support it properly, and that one really had a brand new massive use case.

yeah that's my point, jxl has been adopted faster than png or webp (it was only officially standardised in 2022!)

People use gif to make videos for crying out loud, and bitch about webp all the time, that’s how massive the pushback against new formats is.

i really don't think many people use gif. most people use gifv or similar (usually webm) without realising it. apart from its very specific use case, gif sucks; so most software automatically converts to something else

Do you really think jpegxl would get anywhere by itself? No, it would be the same as with jpeg2000 and tons of other formats - first supported by a handful of programs, but not used by anyone else and then forgotten.

jpeg2k had major issues other than a lack of support - jxl has deliberately avoided those pitfalls

jpegxl actually has pretty good support - affinity, photoshop, gimp, krita, etc. all support it fine

it's only chrome/electron that's holding it back (even firefox supported it until chrome dropped support). i don't think it's lazyness

i have no love for gif (hence i use apng), but all the other alternatives are either videos so show controls by default, not widely supported, or webp. i realise webp is objectively the better format for most things, but i still argue it's existence is a net negative effect

webp may be open (although actually i'd argue it isn't, the licences for the decoder and the format itself are both very woolly), but as it's actively contributing to enshittification by holding back truly open formats i'd say that doesn't really matter

by the way, if you put a backslash before the hash, you don't get massive text

personally? pc specific info

not hardware news so much, although i do think it's on-topic; but

• pc port reports
• modding news and info
• technical support
• pc exclusive releases
  • including mainly maybe indie games? although that's not super on-topic
• other pc specific news (i.e. news about steam, epic, itch, etc.)

i don't really care about big name releases - if i wanted that there's always !games@lemmy.world and !games@sh.itjust.works, although i think they get enough publicity anyways

but i haven't actually posted anything here so my opinion's not that important

now whilst i know why people like webp, maybe we could stop using formats owned by google..

until jpegxl becomes viable (which it mainly isn't because it compete[s/d] with webp), lets stick to nice formats not owned by tech giants, like apng^?

i don't think that's necessarily falling for it, it's appreciating it for what it is. i personally don't see the nothing as equivalent to oneplus[^1], but if it was the modern equivalent to the op1 or op3 i think it'd be worth getting. i have no brand loyalty to 1+ (i doubt i'll ever buy another 1+ phone) but damn if the op1 wasn't the best value for money phone i ever bought.

[^1]: the only similarity is the "close-to-stock" rom as far as i can see, and oneplus didn't even do that until all the issues with cyanogen

¯(ツ)/¯ i bought my current phone because of its headphone jack

this is mostly about bluetooth, but some of it applies to usb-c + dongle:

i have a cheap pair of earphones in my pocket (which i'm prepared to lose). another by the door. a more expensive set of headphones upstairs. a speaker in the kitchen. and when i get in a friend's car or go to their house, i can just plug my phone in and it works without the aggravation of having to pair to their speaker

tell me, oh "you can just buy a dongle" people, what am i supposed to do? buy one and accept that i'll lose it all the time? buy 5 and keep one plugged into every 3.5mm i own and don't own?

plus, y'know - takes slightly more battery, hassle to pair, can't charge and use dongle, all the other obvious issues

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fairphone would be so good if it had a headphone jack. but it seems really weird to me to launch a "sustainable phone" without a jack

sorry chris - i couldn't find anything nice & cute for your nice cute lemmysphere; i'll have to make do with this creepy fellow instead

#titlebar { display: none !important; }?

but more seriously you might be able to debug using the browser toolbox (ctrl+alt+shift+i); or you might try asking on !FirefoxCSS@fedia.io (or !Firefox@fedia.io)

It’s a grand idea to make an index, not only for better exposure, but I bet it also makes it easier for FNIC communities to handle potential problems in unity - if they want to.

yeah, there is also a matrix space where i'm doing anything i can democratically as well

I apologize for making assumptions. It is most definitely a good idea to not have the whole of Lemmies Imaginary communities depend on a single persons whims

don't apologise! (i did steal their naming convention as well)

Though I’ve personally never had any beef with INE, we often see how bad such communities can end up.

neither did i; but better safe than sorry and all that (also i just made !imaginarytrains@lemm.ee because nobody else would, and it's just sort of snowballed from there - i didn't know if people would have beef with me, so i don't want to dictate what happens everywhere)

thank you, but they're very much unofficial by design (i'm not associated with the reddit ine, and i get the impression they've no interest in lemmy):

i think most of the imaginary network on reddit was the same [group of] mod[s] - i'm deliberately not doing that, and letting each lemmysphere do their own thing (hence the "federated"). this is a descriptive not prescriptive group, and this is mostly for easy discovery for people who are interested

copying in @ekky43@lemmy.dbzer0.com and @Rozz@lemmy.sdf.org - you may be interested

ayy another rozalski fan!

you could try putting a script to launch it on ~/.config/plasma-workspace/env/ - i can only assume other des wouldn't execute things in there

i don’t intend to influence anyone’s opinions. if you like disney, please continue to like disney. it’s not that deep

crul i have disappointed you and i am sorry

"you're not immune to propaganda" is the artist's tagline, if you'd care to follow the link, and the name of another of his works: