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Ah yess," we need to create classless society by eating all the rich, killing all the landlords and destroying capitalism around the world" is totally different from the far right which is also "do violence against people we don't like in order to get the society we want". Youre not a faschist if you think the people who you want to kill are responsible for all your issues I guess. Wait, wasn't that literally what hitler said?
Calling to violence is sure to get all the reforms you want. You could also, idunno, take a page from the rightwingers playbook and viralize memes about every single thing the administration does wrong so the public does not forget and is turned against them.
- What a ridiculous position. You honestly believe that all socialists and/or communists want to kill the rich and the landlords?
  Or is that just a convenient strawman you've created?
  Communism commits evil when it goes wrong; fascism commits evil when all goes to plan. No one, not even Stalin, ever became a communist in order to do evil, whereas that's the whole point in becoming a fascist. - Julie Burchill
  
  No, some of you are reasonable and non violent. Communists are just fucking idiots no matter which way you cut it.
  Because see, you are right now excusing stalin for killing up to 20% of a countries population. YOU ARE NORMALIZING GENOCIDE OF A MASS MURDERER
  you have no idea what went down and how it wasnt an accident. it was a quota. There is nothing to discuss. Fuck you for normalizing mass murder and making excuses. You are literally no better than a fucking nazi making excuses for hitler.
  
  I'm not a communist or a socialist, nor did I write the quote.
  ETA:
  After the Soviet Union dissolved, evidence from the Soviet archives was declassified, and researchers were allowed to study it. This contained official records of 799,455 executions (1921–1953),[717][718] around 1.5 to 1.7 million deaths in the Gulag,[719][720][721] some 390,000[722] deaths during the dekulakisation forced resettlement, and up to 400,000 deaths of persons deported during the 1940s,[723] with a total of about 3.3 million officially recorded victims in these categories.[724] According to historian Stephen Wheatcroft, approximately 1 million of these deaths were "purposive" while the rest happened through neglect and irresponsibility.[725] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin#Death_toll
  The population of the USSR in 1924 was ~124m. The population of the USSR in 1952 was ~186m. This gives us a percentage of 2%-1% of the population.
  The revolutionary war saw ~1% of the colonies' population dying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War
  There was a 58% population decline from 1800 to 1890 of natives in what is now the United States of America. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_genocide_in_the_United_States
  
  Least deranged anti-communist.
- By that logic, anti-monarchism is also fascist. After all, they tried to create a "better society" by eating all the kings, killing the landed gentry, and destroying feudalism. Must be fascist, right?
  
  This is such an unnuanced representation of anti-monarchism
  
  As it is an unnuanced take of anti-capitalism
  
  Yeah, i kinda missed the point there
  
  no worries
  
  A lot of countries went from monarchies to democracies peacefully and are better for it. If you want to kill people you dont agree with you are faschist. The government is literally baby feeding you workable memes you can use to ring over the population to the side of societal reforms. If you lot were more public about wanting to kill people, why wouldnt the general population vote for trump the third time in order to keep you violent maniacs in check?
  How about you spread information about everything the current administration does wrong to sway the public opinion. There is ton of material already and its been day 1. You jerking off to mass murder is working against your goals of a better society.
  
  Practically all countries that abandoned monarchism did it during, after or in fear of violent upheaval. Your frankly just historyless in your reasoning here.
  
  A lot of countries went from monarchies to democracies peacefully
  could you name one?
  
  What if the monarchy, with all their power, does nothing to alleviate your abysmal working conditions, and indeed profits from your suffering? What if the monarchy responds to your peaceful petition by, say, butchering your procession in the hundreds?
  
  How about you spread information about everything the current administration does wrong to sway the public opinion. There is ton of material already and its been day 1. You jerking off to mass murder is working against your goals of a better society.
  When we do that it gets hand-waved away as "TDS" or some equally trite nonsense.
  
  If you want to kill people you dont agree with you are faschist
  Not even the word. A definition of fascism from wikipedia
  Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
  The countries which didn't go so peacefully notably the US and France and the UK executing Charles I by chopping his head off were partially responsible for other abdications of power being more peaceful. Had nobody been willing to fight we might still all be saying "your majesty"

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