Gavin Newsom breaks with Democrats on trans athletes in sports
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/40174373
California Gov. Gavin Newsom, a pioneer for LGBTQ+ rights who decades ago upset leaders in his own party when he defied state law and issued marriage licenses to same-sex couples, suggested Democrats were in the wrong in allowing transgender athletes to participate in female college and youth sports.
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I have always hated Gavin, but even a broken clock is right twice a day I suppose.
Garbage comment. Transgender women have the right to participate in the sports that match their gender.
Women have a right to their own fair competition.
The entire reason we made women's only leagues was so they had somewhere to compete against other women fairly.
Almost none of the major sports leagues have any rules specifically preventing women from participating. They simply cannot compete again men directly on a physical level at the top most level of competition.
The Williams sisters are arguably two of the greatest female tennis players that have ever lived on earth and they were both beaten handily by the 203rd ranked male player at the time. https://www.tennisnow.com/Blogs/NET-POSTS/November-2017-(1)/The-Man-Who-Beat-Venus-and-Serena-Back-to-Back.aspx
Women's sports need to only be for biological women in order for them to be fair.
Just seems like this is coming from a place of deep ignorance to be honest. The Williams girls are just starting their career in that story, Serena started at 14.
Just to cut to the chase, you watch women compete out there, right? They’re brutal. And trans women, you’ve watched them play too, right? Because they get stomped by girls just like all the other girls do.
If there’s a quantifiable advantage, it’s nestled deeply in sports nerd statistics, which are - to be blunt - bullshit for bubblegum cards.
If you really believe there is no advantage then why does absolutely nobody care when ftm athletes try and play? It's because they don't compete anywhere near the top when they do that. When men transition to women they seem to have this uncanny habit of absolutely smashing records in women's sports and taking the top spot in many competitions.
Sure not all mtf athletes just walk in and destroy the competition but it's literally never happened a single time with a ftm athlete. Why do you think that might be? Could it just be a bunch of coincidences? Or could it be because there is an underlying issue with allowing someone who was once a man to participate in a women's league?
Sources please? Sounds like you're pulling this info from propaganda sources
https://bigthink.com/health/truth-about-transgender-womens-athletic-ability/
Big think is considered to have high factuality reporting and be pretty much centrist in political biases.
I'm sure you'll have problems with the source anyway.
Okay, to begin, you ought to have just linked to the study, not given us an extra step with an article referencing the study.
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/56/22/1292
Frankly, if you think you can draw a generalizable comparison of athletic performance from a study on 45 non-athletes (that very conspicuously doesn't include any trans men), from grip strength and treadmill performance alone then you shouldn't be doing any generalizing.
Here's a more comprehensive study on a similar number of actual athletes (including trans men):
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/early/2024/04/10/bjsports-2023-108029.full.pdf
Here's it's conclusion:
This research compares transgender male and transgender female athletes to their cisgender counterparts. Compared with cisgender women, transgender women have decreased lung function, increasing their work in breathing. Regardless of fat-free mass distribution, transgender women performed worse on the countermovement jump than cisgender women and men. Although transgender women have comparable absolute V̇O2 max values to cisgender women, when normalised for body weight, transgender women’s cardiovascular fitness is lower than cisgender men and women. Therefore, this research shows the potential complexity of transgender athlete physiology and its effects on the laboratory measures of physical performance. A long-term longitudinal study is needed to confirm whether these findings are directly related to gender-affirming hormone therapy owing to the study’s shortcomings, particularly its cross-sectional design and limited sample size, which make confirming the causal effect of gender-affirmative care on sports performance problematic.
As a cis woman, keep our names out of your mouth. More of us embrace trans people than not.
Yeah maybe the ones that don't play any sports.
Of course you have no issue with something that has no direct effect on you as a person.
The women who play sports and who have lost out on scholarships or chances at the top level spots in the sport they have dedicated their lives to because of a trans athlete showing up in the final hour and trouncing them do absolutely take issue with it.
The women who play sports and who have lost out on scholarships or chances at the top level spots in the sport they have dedicated their lives to because of a trans athlete showing up in the final hour and trouncing them do absolutely take issue with it.
Good thing that doesn't happen, unless said trans athlete has also been working hard
Try harder at transphobia next time
Literally happens all the time. I'm not even going to bother linking you sources because it's happened so many times now.
I also never really cared for the term "transphobia". I'm not afraid of trans people. I think they are humans that deserve love and respect like anyone else. I just don't agree with all their talking points and I don't think they should have blanket access to every sports league just because they have deluded themselves into believing they are actually the same as biological women or men.
I also never really cared for the term "transphobia". I'm not afraid of trans people.
Yet you are afraid of them having equal rights due to bullshit nonexistent reasons, and are thus a transphobe
No better than homophobes before you. History will laugh at pathetic dipshits like you, cunt
I can promise you I am not afraid of them or them having rights as members of our society.
I hope you have a good night.