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Putin makes clear Russia will only play ball with Ukraine by his rules

www.theguardian.com Putin makes clear Russia will only play ball with Ukraine by his rules

While carefully avoiding an outright rejection of US ceasefire proposals, Moscow is playing for time

Summary

Vladimir Putin responded to Ukraine’s US-backed ceasefire proposal by imposing strict conditions, including a halt to Kyiv’s military aid and mobilization, while continuing Russia’s own rearmament.

His calculated stance prolongs negotiations without outright rejecting Donald Trump’s initiative, which seeks to end the war while pressuring Ukraine.

Putin also demands Ukraine’s demilitarization, exclusion from NATO, and recognition of Russian territorial claims.

Trump, with limited leverage, may shift toward aligning with Putin’s terms. Meanwhile, Ukraine fears the ceasefire could allow Russia to regroup and intensify its offensive.

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Putin makes clear Russia will only play ball with Ukraine by his rules

www.theguardian.com /world/2025/mar/14/putin-makes-clear-russia-will-only-play-ball-with-ukraine-by-his-rules

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Trump doesn't care, but on the other hand I really don't think he is a Russian asset.
Russia is playing their negotiating well. They have projected strength and total commitment to their claimed goals. They were able to do it, because of the diplomatic blunders by the Trump administration. Until now US have not said anything about Russian concessions. They were mentioned, but nothing specific.
On the other side, the Ukrainians will never accept anything close to what the Russians want. Even if America tries to force the conditions on them, they will still have some support from Europe.
Trump wants this. I mean, let's get serious, if he does it, he could legitimately expect the Nobel prize. I'm not even joking, if he does, he would be an idiot savant of peacemaking. It's highly unlikely though, but what is his way out?
- Trump does not have the cards to force a peace deal, or the skills to negotiate one. Ukraine and Putin are simply too far apart to meet in the middle.
  
  Only a cuck would concede anything to Putin, and Trump is king cuck.
  
  Thats completely naive. Reality doesn't work like memes. People are dying, lives are being destroyed.
  
  Definitely not skills. But both sides in the war want to have a strong start to the negotiation. Ukraine might give up Crimea officially for NATO membership. Russia will do anything that will look like they won.
  
  NATO membership is off the table.
  
  Its the start of the negotiation, everyone will take positions, but might change them. I don't think Nato is really an option, but they might avoid this and make individual 2 party agreements between Ukraine and Nato countries that would serve as a sort of replacement for actually admitting Ukraine to Nato.
  
  I don’t see Russia accepting that.
  
  Without giving Ukrainians real safety guarantees, they will never stop fighting. Russia knows that. If they don't accept safety guarantees they are saying, they want to war more.
  
  They will never stop fighting? Ukraine can’t win a war of attrition against Russia.
  
  We can already see that is not the case, if the west continues to support it.
  
  Even with the West’s support Ukraine has been losing ground. Imagine without the US support…
  
  With limited support, while Russia has been losing an unsustainable amount of manpower to occupy less that 1% of the territory in a year. Losing US support will be really bad, but right now the frontlines have been fortified and Ukraine has built up a lot of weapons industry to produce it's own weapons. I'm not saying it's going to be easy without US support (even though we cannot say 100% that is really going to happen), what I'm saying is that the situation is way way way more nuanced and complicated than you are claiming.
  
  I'm convinced Trump is chasing the nobel peace prize because Obama has one and he's still butt hurt over it.
  
  It is not about Trumps skills. My guess is that there might have been a deal, if Trump didn't get in the way of his advisors by posting on social media and going off script in interviews
- This comment is mentally challenged
- The support from Europe is not enough for Ukraine to survive.
  
  Maybe it could be, if EU countries actually start up the military production as so many leaders are promising.
  
  Maybe, but even then it would take years to actually ramp up the military production.
  
  Yes. Best case scenario it would be terrible if the US cut off Ukraine. But I think with a generous transition time eu could do it.
  
  Could do what? By the time European military production is up and running Ukraine will be mostly Russian.
  
  With current progression rate, Russia will need more than 50 years to capture whole of Ukraine.
  
  With the current progression rate, the Ukrainian army will run out of soldiers in a few years.
  
  That is a naive statement that is not based on any data. I could say the same for Russia.
  
  It’s based on the number of casualties in the conflict and the fact that Russia has a population about 4 times larger than Ukraine.
  
  Which casualties number? Medvedev one, claiming that Ukraine had a million dead?
  Reality is that this war can go on for a decade and both sides will have enough troops. Also warring countries don't run out of troops or anything. That's not how reality works. There would be a lot of other major problems long before a warring side would run out of troops.

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