Six in 10 Americans oppose sending migrants without convictions to El Salvador prison

www.independent.co.uk Six in 10 Americans oppose sending migrants without convictions to El Salvador prison

Respondents also expressed alarm over administration efforts to deport protesters and critics of U.S.-Israel relationship

Respondents also expressed alarm over administration efforts to deport protesters and critics of U.S.-Israel relationship

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Or 4 in 10 Americans are beyond reaching.
- No American should be okay with others not having due process, citizen or not. Yet here we are
- Most charitably, at least some of that percent are the types who don't think about it (or are largely incapable of doing so). The types who max out on the kohlberg scale of "the law is the law and so if the law is arresting these people then it must be just because it's the law."
  I think people like that can potentially still support decent things, but they basically have no chance when the current media environment is filled with so much propaganda.
  
  "the law is the law and so if the law is arresting these people then it must be just because it's the law."
  What does law have to do with it?
  
  Basically two things: the misinformation telling them that it's legal (hell, we don't even expect cops to understand the law in the US, what chance does some the average idiot have?), and the fact that literal law enforcement agents are carrying out these arrests.
  All these judges issuing injunctions against the admin's illegal actions might not be able to take down the melted cheeto directly, but we really need them to go after the people at the agencies going against their orders. The plane that was ordered to turn around? Why wasn't everyone on that thing arrested as soon as they returned, pilot included?
  Can we get police to arrest ice? I think it's time to find out. Start giving them a reason to think before "just following orders".
  
  He's referencing moral frameworks, hence the kohlberg scale comment. Some folks take the law as gospel: i.e., if something is against the law and you are arrested for it, then the only problem is you, the person arrested. According to that mind state, all of the folks who are in america illegally are therefore deserving of whatever the law (sort of says and) does to them.
  
  No courts -> No law
  Mobs with badges aren't the police.
- These are the people the Democrats were trying to court in 2024.
  
  They could have too, just not by trying out Republican the Republicans. People like this respond to leaders who show conviction, and that definitely isn't the Democrats.

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