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@VikingHippie Yes I've heard of energy storage, there is enough for about five minutes worth of electricity. Every heard of economics? There are only so many areas for pumped hydro and they are mostly tapped out. Lithium ion batteries have a habit of self-immolation and are prohibitively expensive and there isn't enough accessible lithium on the planet to put a dent in the problem. What other brilliant ideas have you to offer?
- there is enough for about five minutes worth of electricity
  That's absolute nonsense.
  Every heard of economics?
  I have, yes. That's part of why I'm arguing for energy production that's cheaper in the short, medium, and long term and doesn't rely on finite resources that have a deleterious effect on humanity.
  There are only so many areas for pumped hydro
  Pumped hydro? Wait, you're talking about hydrogen powered cars now? 🤦
  Lithium ion batteries
  Are on the way out as alternatives such as sodium batteries are being researched and improved
  What other brilliant ideas have you to offer?
  Here's one: shut the fuck up with your nonsense before you embarrass yourself further.
  
  @VikingHippie Well you are calling what I know to be fact non-sense so I know you are too out of touch with reality to have a coherent discussion with.
  
  Well you are calling ~~what I know to be fact~~ the lies I base my world view on ~~non-sense~~ nonsense
  Fixed it for you.
  I know you are too out of touch with reality to have a coherent discussion with
  Right back at you, "infowarrior" 🙄
  
  Total world wide electricity generation is 17,400,000,000,000 watts, total battery energy storage 57,000,000,000, pumped hydro adds another 17,900,000,000 do the math and you can see why storage ain't gonna get us there, at least not with existing technologies. The recent outages in Spain and Portugal were the direct result of unreliable renewable energy.
  
  Total world wide electricity generation is 17,400,000,000,000 watts, total battery energy storage 57,000,000,000, pumped hydro adds another 17,900,000,000 do the math and you can see why storage ain't gonna get us there
  Fun fact: the current amount of storage is not the maximum amount possible. You're conflating current capacity with maximum capacity possible, which is idiotic at best and deliberately misleading at worst.
  You might as well say that it's impossible for me to ever roller skate anywhere due to not currently owning any skates.
  at least not with existing technologies
  First of all, that's not true. Second of all, even if it was, that's irrelevant as new and improved technology is constantly being developed in spite of luddites like yourself trying their hardest to make it stop.
  The recent outages in Spain and Portugal were the direct result of unreliable renewable energy.
  Nope. I ask again: don't you ever get tired of lying all the time?
  
  @VikingHippie Not lying. It is a well known if not widely admitted to fact.
  
  @VikingHippie No I'm not conflating anything, what we have NOW determines how long the grid can tolerate under production and that is about five minutes. But wind might not blow for days, the sun is on average not in the sky 12 hours out of the day and the majority of those hours it is at an angle that makes less than peak production possible. But even if we used every gram of lithium we have we couldn't produce enough storage. There are some alternatives, vanadium flow batteries, but again vanadium is expensive and in short supply, or sodium ion batteries, here we've probably got adequate materials, but sodium has a two step discharge curve that make the electronics more expensive. In short we don't PRESENTLY have enough storage and it is doubtful that we will ever have enough to last overnight.

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