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One in four Dutch voters has lost faith in all political parties, survey finds

nltimes.nl One in four Dutch voters has lost faith in all political parties, survey finds

A recent RTL Nieuwspanel survey shows that 25 percent of Dutch voters have lost confidence in every political party. This distrust is especially strong among those who voted for Nieuw Sociaal Contract (NSC), with 32 percent expressing no trust, as well as voters for BBB (28 percent) and PVV (26 perc...

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This is how Trumps get ellected
- A Trump was elected here but he fucked it all up within a year without even having managed to improve or ruin anything.
  We have good hopes the next government is gonna get it right.
  
  We have good hopes the next government is gonna get it right.
  Wait what? Where do those hopes come from?
  
  Political options aren't ruined by two-party system, so there's flexibility.
  
  Options and diversity generally results in progress and balance.
  
  Well... We've had this system for some time now and we can't really say our government is super stable lately. In fact, the splintering pretty much makes it impossible to set a clear course. Plus, most parties make hot button issues their hill to die on so they'll just pull ultimatums all the time and threaten to blow up the government if they don't get what they want. Even if the Algemene Rekenkamer tells everyone that their plans are inexecutable.
  
  Sure, there are options, but they're not terribly different from last time. It's always possible to get something great, but I don't see how hopes are particularly higher now than they were e.g. at the last elections.
  
  There's an increased likelihood of a party changing and causing a break in stalemate situations. Doesn't mean it'll happen, but there is an increased likelihood.
  
  Yeah, but that just means that we might be able to avoid stalemates - not necessarily that we'll get a government that's better than usual 😅
  
  I figured at least a couple of the PVV voters are so disillusioned they'll just not vote this time.
  
  On the one hand I'm not sure if that's such good news (I don't like the PVV, but I do think it's important that citizens are involved in how the country is governed), and on the other hand I'm not even sure that it's true. They're still polling strong.
  They won't rule any more, that's true, but they'll make it harder to former a stable government, and still have strong influence on the policy that does get enacted. Compared to e.g. any election before the last one, I see no signs that make me particularly hopeful.
- Wilders is our Trump
  
  Geert Wilders from the Netherlands
  Boris Johnson from the UK
  And of course Donald Trump from the US
  It really is impressive how these fascist assclowns look alike
  
  Here you have the German version (Björn Höcke). He has yet to start his power grab, maybe 2029 or, for maximum irony, 2033, exactly 100 years after his great idol...
  
  His surname is Bernd, don't be mean to him
  
  There is another german bernd, who doesn't deserve to share a name with this nazi asshole.
  
  Based Bernd is how I call this lovely loaf of bread.
- The Netherlands doesn't have the First Past the Post system
  
  Neither does Germany and the AfD is still rising so... yeah.
  
  The most extremist-proof voting system I know of is approval voting. Proportional representation is unfortunately not really great at preventing extremism.
  
  I mean, there's a limit to how much a voting system can do. Western democracies have more fundamental problems.
  
  Is it democracy that has a problem, or is it humans? Take the housing crisis, for example. We want low rents without lotteries, except we also want beautiful cities without commieblocks or even high-rises, and the significant proportion of voters who own their own homes want home values to always increase. And god forbid property taxes forces a retired old person out of a home that's far larger than what they need. There is just no solution that satisfies all constraints. So we muddle through, mumbling something about "damn foreigners" and "eat the rich". If we all actually agreed the housing crisis is a problem we're willing to make sacrifices to solve, then we'd solve it in an instant. But no. Only mimimi.

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