Foundation S02E10 - Creation Myths - Episode Discussion
Synopsis: Season finale. Gaal, Salvor, and Hari chart a new path forward on Ignis. Demerzel heads to Trantor, taking actions that will change Empire forever.
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Fuck me, I really enjoyed this episode too.
Day finally getting his comeuppance, his moral failure finally causing a breaking point, and then getting spaced and losing his whole fleet in one fell swoop. What is Empire without spacers or their fleet?
Bel and Hober sharing that wine that's been hyped up the whole season, only for it to taste like Beki's asshole. Loved the ship scenes, especially with Hober and Brother Constant. Funny and sweet while being entirely tragic.
Oh God, that beautiful, tragic moment between Dusk and Demerzel. Laura Birn and Terrence Mann killed it. Watching her feel such emotion at having to do something she couldn't bear doing, and Dusk forgiving her. I think he was genuine there even if he did mark her as a betrayer to Dawn, he knew she didn't have a choice.
Everyone on Terminus survived in a big space vault?? Can't wait to hear the explanation behind that one. Poor glawen :(
I'm glad Sareth and Dawn escaped and I can't wait to see what they do, hopefully we still get a glimpse of their lives in exile even with the time jump.
Ignis felt somewhat weak in comparison to the rest of the storylines in this episode. I think I would have preferred the Ignis Hari reveal to be that he was a robot, but I guess this was fine too. Didn't feel as interesting as the rest of the show. Tellem giving one last fuck you through Josiah felt contrived, I know she was a villain but I didn't particularly feel her motivation behind it.
David S. Goyer suggested on the official podcast that he always planned for two characters to survive to the end, and after this episode, I'm convinced that one of them absolutely has to be Demerzel. She was there before the beginning, and after this season, it's clear that this is really her story.
Even Harry is just an incidental player in the long tale.
Completely agree. I think Demerzel's endgame has to be freedom, right? How she's going to get there is so interesting, since it seems like she can't do anything about it without violating her programming. She is literally forced to act against herself. She needs an adversary/ally, someone who knows her well enough and can disable her, reprogram her, without her seeing it coming. Perhaps the Dawn-in-Exile can work with Foundation to put a plan in motion.
I guess the alternative is that the conditions of the world make it so it is no longer possible for her to love and perpetuate the genetic Empire, but where would that leave her? Would she be tasked with restarting it, self-destructing, or finally be free? Cleon I doesn't seem like the type to let go.
The rebel Dawn (looking forward to seeing what his rebellion spawns over the following century and a half) certainly creates a potential loophole in her programming. He is no longer a part of the genetic dynasty, so she doesn't have protection over him, but because he and all his offspring came from it, they might still be under her directive to preserve Empire, and thus she will be forced to engineer increasingly complex plots to preserve both his line and the genetic dynasty.
I wondered if part of her even allowed for Dusk to mark her and enable Dawn's escape. Cleon I's original prohibition could not have accounted for every possibility, and eventually chaos theory will introduce factors that her programming won't be able to cleanly account for.
I don’t know what I’m missing but how did Day and Riose switch faces and places in the airlock?
Hobert mallows castling device
Thanks, I’m completely blank on how that was set up in the story. This show’s dense and due for a rewatch.
If you remember when he was first introduced and got caught scamming that king and they put him in the big spike execution thing? Then changed places with the king? Riose took it from him when Hober was captured