2y ago

What you guys are hosting instead of Nextcloud? I'm sick of it.

I am hosting more than 10 services currently but only Nextcloud sends me errors periodically and only Nextcloud is super extremely painfully slow. I quit this sh*t. No more troubleshooting and optimization.

There are mainly 4 services in Nextcloud I'm using:

Files: as simple server for upload and download binaries
Calendar (with DAVx5): as sync server without web UI
Notes: simple note-taking
Network folder: mounted on Linux dolphin

Could you recommend me the alternatives for these? All services are supposed to be exposed by HTTPS, so authentication like login is needed. And I've tried note-taking apps like Joplin or trillium but couldn't like it.

Thanks in advance.

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This is concerning to me because I’ve been considering ditching Synology and spinning up nextcloud. I like Synology drive but I’m tired of the underpowered hardware and dumb roadblocks and vendor lock-in nonsense. I’m very curious what you end up doing!
- Not OP, but I run it on docker with postgres and redis, behind a reverse proxy. All apps on NC have pretty good performance and haven't had any weird issues. It's on an old xeon with 32gb and on spinning rust.
  
  Do you have redis talking to nextcloud over the unix socket or just regular TCP? The former is apparently another way to speed up nextcloud, but I'm struggling to understand to get containers using the unix socket instead.
  
  I have both Postgres and Redis talking to Nextcloud through their respective unix sockets; I store the sockets in a named volume, so I can mount it on whatever containers need to reach them.
  
  Do you mind sharing your docker config, so I can try and replicate it. Thank you
  
  Sure:
  POSTGRES
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  --- version: '3.8' services: postgres: container_name: postgres image: postgres:14-alpine environment: POSTGRES_PASSWORD: "XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX" PGDATA: "/var/lib/postgresql/data/pgdata" volumes: - type: bind source: ./data target: /var/lib/postgresql/data - type: volume source: postgres-socket target: /run/postgresql logging: driver: json-file options: max-size: 2m restart: unless-stopped networks: default: external: name: backend volumes: postgres-socket: name: postgres-socket
  REDIS
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  --- version: '3.8' services: redis: image: redis:7.2-alpine command: - /data/redis.conf - --loglevel - verbose volumes: - type: bind source: ./data target: /data - type: volume source: redis-socket target: /var/run logging: driver: json-file options: max-size: 2m restart: unless-stopped networks: default: external: name: backend volumes: redis-socket: name: redis-socket
  Here's redis.conf, it took me a couple of tries to get it just right:
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  # create a unix domain socket to listen on unixsocket /var/run/redis/redis.sock unixsocketperm 666 # protected-mode no requirepass rrrrrrrrrrrrr bind 0.0.0.0 port 6379 tcp-keepalive 300 daemonize no stop-writes-on-bgsave-error no rdbcompression yes rdbchecksum yes # maximum memory allowed for redis maxmemory 50M # how redis will evice old objects - least recently used maxmemory-policy allkeys-lru # logging # levels: debug verbose notice warning loglevel notice logfile "" always-show-logo yes
  NEXTCLOUD
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  --- version: '3.8' services: nextcloud: image: nextcloud:27-fpm env_file: - data/environment.txt volumes: - type: bind source: ./data/html target: /var/www/html - type: volume source: redis-socket target: /redis - type: volume source: postgres-socket target: /postgres - type: tmpfs target: /tmp:exec - type: bind source: ./data/zz-docker.conf target: /usr/local/etc/php-fpm.d/zz-docker.conf - type: bind source: ./data/opcache_cli.conf target: /usr/local/etc/php/conf.d/opcache_cli.conf networks: - web - backend logging: driver: json-file options: max-size: 2m restart: unless-stopped crond: image: nextcloud:27-fpm entrypoint: /cron.sh env_file: - data/environment.txt volumes: - type: bind source: ./data/html target: /var/www/html - type: bind source: ./data/zz-docker.conf target: /usr/local/etc/php-fpm.d/zz-docker.conf - type: volume source: redis-socket target: /redis - type: volume source: postgres-socket target: /postgres - type: tmpfs target: /tmp:exec networks: - web - backend logging: driver: json-file options: max-size: 2m restart: unless-stopped collabora: image: collabora/code:23.05.5.4.1 privileged: true environment: extra_params: "--o:ssl.enable=false --o:ssl.termination=true" aliasgroup1: 'https://my.nextcloud.domain.org:443' cap_add: - MKNOD networks: - web logging: driver: json-file options: max-size: 2m restart: unless-stopped networks: backend: external: name: backend web: external: name: web volumes: redis-socket: name: redis-socket postgres-socket: name: postgres-socket
  The environment.txt file is hostnames, logins, passwords, etc...
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  POSTGRES_DB=nextcloud POSTGRES_USER=xxxxxxx POSTGRES_PASSWORD=yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy POSTGRES_SERVER=postgres POSTGRES_HOST=/postgres/.s.PGSQL.5432 NEXTCLOUD_ADMIN_USER=aaaaa NEXTCLOUD_ADMIN_PASSWORD=hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh REDIS_HOST=redis REDIS_HOST_PORT=6379 REDIS_HOST_PASSWORD=rrrrrrrrrrrrr
  The zz-docker.conf file sets some process tuning and log format, some might not even be necessary:
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  [global] daemonize = no error_log = /proc/self/fd/2 log_limit = 8192 [www] access.log = /proc/self/fd/2 access.format = "%R - %u %t \"%m %r%Q%q\" %s %f %{mili}d %{kilo}M %C%%" catch_workers_output = yes decorate_workers_output = no clear_env = no user = www-data group = www-data listen = 9000 listen = /var/www/html/.fpm-sock listen.owner = www-data listen.group = www-data listen.mode = 0666 listen.backlog = 512 pm = dynamic pm.max_children = 16 pm.start_servers = 6 pm.min_spare_servers = 4 pm.max_spare_servers = 6 pm.process_idle_timeout = 30s; pm.max_requests = 512
  The opcache_cli.conf file has a single line:
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  opcache.enable_cli=1
  I don't remember why it's there but it's working so I'm not touching it :-D
  Good luck :-)
- Also not OP. I run nextcloud on 10th gen i3 on spinning rust and performance is good. I run it on LXC container though so without docker
  
  How did you Spin it up in an LXC Container? I cant find any install Tutorials or Files for that. Do you have a link or something for me?
  
  I create LXC container and then just install apache2, php and mariadb by hand with apt, then I install nextcloud from sources.
  You can try this tutorial as its very close to what I did: https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/latest/admin\_manual/installation/example\_ubuntu.html
- A confirmed, yet still not resolved bug caused me and about 200 other people lose data (metadata) for tons of files. Well, at least 200 reacted to the GitHub bugreport I filled. I think you can easily find it because it's the most upvoted yet unresolved issue.
  Besides this, it'd often give random errors and just not function properly. My favorites are the unexplained file locks: My brother in Christ, what do you mean error while deleting a file. It's 2023 holy shit, just delete the damn file. It's ridiculously unreliable and fragile. They have tons, thousands of bugreports open - yet they focus on pushing new, unwanted social features to become the new facebook and zoom. They definitely should focus on fixing the foundation first.
  
  Do you have a link to that bugreport?
  
  https://github.com/nextcloud/desktop/issues/4378
  
  Thanks!
- I dumped synology and just use proxmox for the automatic ZFS support, then I can run my apps in either containers or VMs and even do GPU passthrough if needed.
- Nextcloud is great. I don't doubt that OP is having problems, and I understand how frustration can set in and one might throw in the towel and look for alternatives, but OP's experience is atypical. I've been running it for years without any issues. I should point out that I only use it for small-scale personal stuff, but it's good for me. I have it syncing on eight devices, including Linux, MacOS, and Windows desktops; Android phone; iPad; Raspberry Pi. My phone auto-uploads new camera photos. I'm using WebDAV/Fuse mounts on some machines. Everything is solid.

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