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Oooo, now do Ukraine
- Aren’t the Ruskies the ones invading them and kidnapping their children and such?
  
  Exactly. "Leftists" refuse to acknowledge that Russia is doing genocide in Ukraine.
  
  We do?
  
  Not necessarily, definitely not generally. But the party "Die Linke" in Germany ( basically translates to the left/leftists) has some strongly russophilic currents. I'd wager that's the case in more countries than just Germany.
  
  I don't really think that's true, lol. It may just be my own bias as a leftist that heavily condemns Russia's invasion, but the vast majority of leftists condemn Russia invading, with some also condemning NATO's historical treatment of the Russian Federation, leading to an unjust invasion in the first place.
  It's kind of like people that say the US government caused 9/11 by being an absolute villian on a global stage, especially with respect to the Middle East. That's not saying 9/11 was justified, but that the US government shouldn't have held their foreign policy the way they have for centuries in the first place.
  Maybe I'm blind, but I really don't see anyone saying Russia's invasion of Ukraine is justified.
  Leftists are anti-Imperialism and Anti-Colonialism as a rule, so being pro-Imperialism is a decidedly not leftist take.
  
  Yup, as a leftist Russia is an imperialist capitalist country doing the terrible things those countries do. These conflicts will always occur until we move on from this system. Every capitalist imperialist hegemon engages in these conflicts. Where I seem to agitate people is I don't make exception for this for other hegemon countries like the US and alliances like NATO, as if this had no historical context and was inevitable.
  
  I'm just basing this on what I see all over hexbear and lemmygrad in particular. I have, in fact, gotten a ban for "genocide denial" on hexbear for suggesting that Russia is perpetuating genocide against the Ukrainian people. The absolute irony.
  
  I wouldn't call those people lefties. That's more like some twisted tankie ideology, based on some absurd notion that Russia is still communist.
  
  Russia has done some truly horrific acts to the people of Ukraine, but isn’t being classified as genocide by human rights groups.
  
  Isn’t the kidnapping of Ukraines children count as a cultural genocide or something?
  
  Certainly a war crime.
  
  I see, I just want to state that there’s an odd use of terminology you’ve used. I’m assuming that you’re referring to marxists, socialist, etc, as the “leftists”, I just wish to point out that they absolutely HATE liberals, like the Democratic Party and such. The liberals actually support Ukraine while those leftists are more “eh” on the subject.
  
  You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means. https://youtube.com/watch?v=L9n77DPJ7AE
  What's happening in Ukraine, Gaza, as well as countless other places, are frigging tragedies, but it's not genocides.
  There is actually a genocide being perpetrated presently, but as nobody wants to piss of China nobody's talking about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide
  
  Gaza: UN experts call on international community to prevent genocide against the Palestinian people.
  
  I don't think it's pedantic to point out that is saying there is a "risk" of genocide. It's not saying there is a genocide.
- Liberals then: 🇺🇦 Slava Ukraine! 🇺🇦
  Liberals now: 🇵🇸 Free Palestine! 🇵🇸
  Liberal's stock portfolios: Lockheed, Raytheon...

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