1y ago

Spoderman

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Interesting. Most liberals I know already agree with that sentiment without having to be told.
- It's true not all liberals support this, but I've certainly seen a fair number hand-waving Biden's vocal support of this genocidal state as if it's no big deal.
  Edit: "Fascism is good, actually." -liberals
  
  It's not that it's "not a big deal." It's that he's still the better of the two realistic possibilities. No Republican running for president will be harder on Israel than Biden is being (which is, admittedly, in no way hard), and they are all far worse on other metrics important to the left.
  
  Liberals: "Jeez this genocide is detestable for what it's doing to Biden's polling."
  
  I think a lot of people are just frustrated by the religious extremism which drives the conflict.
- Yet the guy who says this shit is the liberal choice for president: "Folks, were there no Israel, there wouldn't be a Jew in the world that was safe."
  https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-alludes-disagreements-with-israels-netanyahu-2023-12-12/
  
  That comes with the boldest admission I’ve ever seen, that we as the entire rest of the world are uniformly unwilling to stand by and protect the Jewish people in our communities and countries. Fuck that. No, we must protect our Jewish neighbors, we must be willing to take in Jewish refugees of antisemitism. We must take it upon ourselves be the place where Jews are safe. Saying Israel is the source of Jewish safety is a fucking cop out and it’s a disgusting one at that.
  
  What total horse shit. Mark Zuckerberg's safety is in no way conditioned on the existence of Israel.
  But Biden isn't a liberal (in conventional US usage anyway) and I doubt he'd describe himself as one. He's an establishment centrist if there ever was one.
- this is another meme using the European/PolSci definition of Liberals, meaning classic/neoliberal, as in 'capitalists'. Definitely confusing and generally wrong in a modern US context.
- In most sane countries Liberals include the US Republican party
  
  Source: My rectum

Not necessarily. It’s genocide because they’re being specifically targeted for their race, religion, ethnic group, or other genetic or cultural characteristics. Which they absolutely are. If you lock the doors at rock concerts and kill everyone in attendance it’s just mass murder.
- It's genocide because their culture is slowly getting wiped out. Genocide happens not only in the giant open air concentration camp called Gaza, but also in the West Bank, where the Palestinians are supposedly living in peace with the Israelis. Check out Anna Baltzers documentary about her experience in the West Bank. She went there as a sceptic upon hearing from friends about gruesome stories of how the Israelis treat Palestinians.
  Video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_MDC2Gty4I&si=DWDaLQmvkl2Tv27a
- "just" feels weird here, idk why
  
  Imo the just feels weird because mass murder shouldn't be a "just". It should be somewhat near a penultimate, but compared to genocide...
- Religion is just an excuse to get people on board. This is a territory war, religion is just the thing dividing the two sides, but this is not about religion or race, this is about land and power.
- Is subculture not a form of culture?
- It’s not a genocide because there’s no attempt to eradicate a whole people.
  
  to add further. muslims are not a race.

That’s illegal to say.
- Not at all. In fact, far from being risky, it's the received wisdom here on Lemmy. I will get far more downvotes for merely questioning the framing of it as a genocide than will OP.
  
  That's because genocide denial is usually frowned upon by people with fully functioning brains.

I can't believe the Israeli government of all entities drank the fascist Kool-Aid.
- They went aggressive defense, after the effects of WW2. They built an impressive machine to both keep themselves safe (by all means necessary) and hunt down Nazis who fled into hiding.
  Unfortunately, they ran out of targets, on the nazi front, and really pissed off their neighbours. Rather than risk de-escalating, they've gone all-in.
  The intergenerational changeover, and the political games that entailed lead to the current situation.
  Stare too long into the abyss, and the abyss will stare back into you.
  
  The trick is to wait until the abyss stares back, and to smile at it.
  EDIT: My bad, I thought this was from another Israel Palestine thread I roped myself into.
  I feel bad for everyone involved though.
  
  and hunt down Nazis who fled into hiding.
  Give it a break. One of Israel's staunchest allies since the start was West Germany - which enthusiastically co-operated with Israel while Israel was fully aware that it's intelligence services were jam-packed with nazis. Israel only hunted the nazis that were convenient to hunt.
  Birds of a feather and all that.
- The whole point of the state of Israel is to have an ethnostate - at the minimum, apartheid, at the maximum, genocide - which is why there is a huge split among Jewish people worldwide as to whether or not be Zionists.
- They drank that particular strain of Kool-Aid back in 1949.

Also, liberals... Israel has been doing it since 1949.

This meme was made in Gimp! I'd recognize that centered drop shadow anywhere!

Wait what liberals are saying that it isn't genocide???
- No, lol

They all read they one same damn book
- That's crazy, religious people actually reading their holy book? An unseen phenomenon for Americans.
  
  Nice religion americans whould love it 💀🤣

I like this red - green allience

Oooo, now do Ukraine
- Aren’t the Ruskies the ones invading them and kidnapping their children and such?
  
  Exactly. "Leftists" refuse to acknowledge that Russia is doing genocide in Ukraine.
- Liberals then: 🇺🇦 Slava Ukraine! 🇺🇦
  Liberals now: 🇵🇸 Free Palestine! 🇵🇸
  Liberal's stock portfolios: Lockheed, Raytheon...

Cool it with the antisemitic remarks.
- I guess if you don't support Isreal you're an antisemite. Does that mean if you don't support Palestine you're an antiislamist?
- Wat...
  
  Big Lebowski reference I think?
  Nope my b it’s American Psycho
  https://youtu.be/Zu3nu6ue2qU?si=ZiR480PO-_CFLMsG
- You don't seem to know what antisemitic means.

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