4mo ago

Surely we can learn from this?

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If voters bear no responsibility, do you really believe in democracy, or are you thinking about this as an issue to be solved by authority?
The self-righteousness of this discussion is a problem. Politics requires some humility, which we seem to be short of.
- You are misunderstanding how the system is supposed to work.
  We have a responsibility to vote, but no candidate is owed a vote.
  The government is meant to execute the will of the people. That's why we live in a democracy. That means that the government is supposed to work for you. The politicians are supposed to essentially be public workers that are hired via votes of the citizens.
  These public workers are supposed to be a reflection of the will of the people. If they don't match what we want, then they don't win.
  No one is owed our votes. They are supposed to earn it.
  
  None of this really addresses my question.
- None of the people clamoring for a better candidate are stepping up, or getting out there to get it done. They just want someone in power to do it, which is counter productive.
  
  While claiming to be anarchists, socialists, progressives, leftists, whatever. I get the sour grapes, I do, but the reality is that you're going to have to get off your couch and actually organize if you want something better than the corporate handout candidates the DNC is going to give you.
  For all of the awful things about Trump, it's really difficult to deny that he spent much more time and energy building a political movement than any other candidate since Obama.

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