Parti Québécois faces drop in support for sovereignty amid Trump threats
MONTREAL — With Canadians – and even Quebecers – rallying around the flag in the face of threats from the Trump administration, the sovereigntist Parti Québécois is struggling to find its footing.
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It's confusing times. If there was ever a movement in support of US territorial subservience, a Quebec referendum is probably more likely, and one where secession before annexation has clearer legal path. I understand their current support for Canada.
As if trump would want Quebec anyway. They’re too French for him.
Anyway. Vermonter here. Even our states name is French. Surely he wouldn’t notice if we just left and joined Quebec right? If you’ll let us? We can run a maple syrup cartel together 🥹
I think bernie would make a fine prime minister
I think unfortunately the PM equivalent currently in office is Phil Scott our governor. If you don’t know of him, he’s a Republican… but if the Republican Party was like him we wouldn’t be in this mess we’re in.
We’re a state that voted like 80% for Bernie AND Scott.
Most Canadians would love the idea of states joining us. They wouldn't even refuse solidly red states, I think. It would make Canada stronger, and a better life for the states. Economic power together is enhanced. Canada even as 10 states instead of 1, doesn't work because US debt is too high, and US simply has too harsh of a society meant for oligarchy. Healthcare would be a major issue.
Most Canadians would love the idea of states joining us
Nope. Not true.
They wouldn't even refuse solidly red states, I think
I would. They would view us as an occupying power, and would be right to think so. Think of Quebec, but instead of being French they're just racist. I don't want that in my Canada.
It would make Canada stronger, and a better life for the states
It would be a clusterfuck. Not Canada's problem to make life better for Americans. Ever heard the saying, people get the government they deserve? Majority of them are assholes or unable to help themselves. If they want to enjoy a better life the Canadian way, they can work on immigrating here. Canada is not an expansionist country. Plenty Happy as is, geopolitically speaking.
Economic power together is enhanced
We've been doing this already, as two separate sovereign nations. Assholes turned it against us. You know, you read the news.
Canada even as 10 states instead of 1, doesn't work because US debt is too high, and US simply has too harsh of a society meant for oligarchy.
Not sure what you're going on about with the US debt. But that alone is a reason for us to not join together. Who the hell would want to inherent that problem? Canadians would be taxed like crazy to help pay that off. If by too harsh of a society, you mean ruthless individualism at the expense of the overall social fabric, which has a nasty effect of creating oligarchs? Correct.
Healthcare would be a major issue.
It would be, but in this scenario is would ironically be the least problematic thing.
These opinions are presented to you by a dual citizen Canadian currently living in the Southeast of America. No normal people here want to invade Canada, and no Canadian wants to be a "savior" of poor abused American states. I'm down to let more people immigrate and become PR or citizens, but not a blanket annexation of entire states. If Americans have a issue with their current federal government, they can take some bricks and throw them through select politicians windows while doing mass strikes like the rest of the civilized world does to keep their democracy clean. The French revolution wasn't bloodless, nor was the American Revolutionary War. Tyrants don't go away on their own.
You know nothing about Canadians nor what the average American thinks and it shows.
Economic power together is enhanced We’ve been doing this already, as two separate sovereign nations. Assholes turned it against us. You know, you read the news.
Current red states are parasitic to US as a whole. Military budget and insurance industries too. Canada's economy is controlled as a junior partner that gives US veto over resource project funding from China or other US geopolitical foes, and embarrassing copying of tariffs on China without even consulting China. Trump BS was happening on a slower basis anyway, and a bigger Canada means better resistance to US coercion.
Canadians would be taxed like crazy to help pay that off.
The US is on a clear path to collapse, just from this debt. That is bad for Canada too, but in a way the collapse just means defaulting on debt, and banks/insurance going bankrupt. The oligarchy in US means as the country collapses, the ones who are saved are banksters, weapon makers, and tech. Secession of states, and joining Canada, can make both existing Canada and those states stronger
What you've said is true, but I still insist that Canada is not an imperial or opportunist country that is looking to gobble up states, even if handed on a silver platter. It's just not really what we do. You are severely overlooking the fact that it would require a supermajority of support in both the seceding state and Canada as a whole to admit a new province/territory into the confederation. That is simply unlikely.
If the US collapses USSR-style, it would likely just simply balkanize instead of being picked over by its neighbours. It would balkanize either by region, or completely by states. What is probably more likely is probably another civil war, with one side completely winning or a stalemate being met and two or more separate USAs existing. But honestly, there is literally no way to know what will happen to the US going forward.
Gun to my head, had to choose, I'd say that America just continues to be a flawed democracy and returns to its isolationism that it historically always does inbetween major wars, probably suffer a major recession, and then has a civil war.