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Audio Analysis: Eurovision Broadcaster Muted Sounds of Crowd Booing and Shouting “Free Palestine!”

theintercept.com Audio Analysis: Eurovision Broadcaster Muted Sounds of Crowd Booing and Shouting “Free Palestine!”

Despite Eurovision denials, an audio analysis shows booing and a “Free Palestine!” cry during Israeli singer Eden Golan’s 2024 performance.

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/29820217

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Europe is just America 5 years behind
- I disagree. They’re more educated in Europe on average. That’s the key ingredient to our vulnerability in the US.
  
  This is by design. Carlin
  
  Damn he was right. I miss him.
  
  He is the primary reason why I keep listening to comedians of all kinds regardless of criticism.
  I clearly recall my fairly conservative father sneering at a Carlin interview in the late 80s, and twenty-odd years later watching a clip reel and marveling at how many things he said that were borne out.
  He's a big reason why I can't be mad at comedians - even if I disagree with them - because there is truth in comedy that you sometimes cannot hear amidst the noise of conventional wisdom or cultural trends.
  There are few absolutes, so I hold my truths lightly and question them often
  
  The Weimar Republic was the most educated place in the world before WWII. Education certainly can help but its not a panacea.
- Yeah. I mean the US was founded by religious extremists who fled Europe, so of course it’s the same.
  
  Religious extremists that knew religion has no place in government.
  
  I believe @Dojan was referencing the Puritans, not the founding fathers.
  
  the US was founded by religious extremists
  I'll disagree
  
  "In God We Trust" - the United States motto, written on its currency.
  You won't find that shit in Euro notes.
  You've been had my friend, given the run around, fed a line of bullshit, treated like a patsy.
  
  To be fair, that didn't become the motto until the 1950s, and (I had to Google this) it wasn't on any currency until almost a hundred years after the revolution. The founding fathers, for all their flaws, were pretty adamant about keeping the church separate from the state, most of them being either deists, naturalists, or atheists.
  
  Guess it all got subverted in the meanwhile with Religion and Politics becoming increasingly mixed.
  Europe, on the other hand, has being going in the opposite direction of that, especially since the mid XX century.
  The point being that it's not Europe that mixes Politics with Religion anymore (well, mainly, there is still some of that shit in some places), it's the US.
  That it goes against the spirit with which the American Founding Fathers founded the country should add insult to injury to any American who thinks State should be separate from Church.
  
  Society doesn't only improve.
  There's advances and setbacks.
  As a Finn I'm very worried about this complacency about authoritarianism. We Finns don't have "In God We Trust" on our money, no, but it might as well say "In Bureaucracy We Trust".
  I genuinely respect those first amendment auditors. Like a third I see are prolly a bit too douchey, but that's their right.
  What's the quote again?
  Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.
  — G. Michael Hopf, Those Who Remain (The New World #7)
  
  I think exactly the same and I live in Portugal, pretty much the opposite side of Europe.
  There's a roughly 100 years cycle (I call it a super-cycle) in human societies and there are lots of writtings and sayings that very much match it (so for example there's also one about wealth in families and how the first generation builds it, the second consolidates it and the third spends it) and we've been entering the shit part of that cycle for over a decade.
  I was working in Investment Banking in the 2008 Crash, in the only large Investment Bank that went bankrupt in it - Lehman Brothers - no less, and what I saw happen first hand, my subsequent attempt at making sense of all of that (not the personal experience, but the whole worldwide Economic Crash) and how the various Governments reacted (mainly who they chose to save and who they chose to make pay for it) was a massive wake up call for me.
  I really, really hope this time around we don't end up with Fascism and War all over the place.
  Heard you guys in Finland pivoted leftwards in the the last elections, so you might be ahead of the trend and avoid the worst of this shit (though Russia next door is probably worrisome).
  Here we just had elections yesterday, the Fascists just got 22.5% of the votes and the rightwing won almost 60% of the votes, so my fear that this country is fucked hasn't been assuaged.

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