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What is to be done? (and other pertinent updates)

STOP THE COUNT :trump-anguish:

A twelve-hour window has passed and a supermajority is present—158 out of 228 first-choice ballots—therefore, we will proceed with a backup of Option 2: The Long March (keep Hexbear branding, change domain) if we cannot secure the hexbear.net domain.

As such, a ranked-choice poll with the Hexbear-related domains we have secured will be forthcoming. Stay tuned for that as well as other updates we may have!


Hey all, semi-ambiguous member of the admin team here. Who am I? Classified. Think of me as one of the SEELE monoliths, if it helps. All you really need to know here is I've been here for a good while, at least, and have enough knowledge of the staff internal dynamics as well as the technical side of the issues we face to represent the situation in its breadth.

What have we been doing since the unfathomable oopsie?

We have secured a number of alternative domains. We will not fully enumerate them until we are more confident on the direction we want to take our approach to this.

We have established contact with the previously-AWOL owner, and after much discussion, we have determined that while there was an error in the auto-payment initially, the renewal funds were transferred manually to Sav and the auction continues despite that. We are currently appealing to Sav support with our domain credentials. We are also looking into whether an ICANN-compliant grace period was implemented prior to the rescinding and auctioning of the domain.

We aren't going to give up on this route entirely and have taken a distributed approach to addressing our options internally (e.g. some admins are negotiating with Sav, some admins are covering bases, some admins and devs are planning the technical side of things, etc., etc.). The best case scenario is that with our access credentials, our negotiations make Sav cease the auction and cede the domain back to us. If this unfolds, this is the option we will take. We will not rely on this route, but it is pertinent to mention it as a possibility.

We also plan to compile a more comprehensive post-mortem that will give a detailed overview/recap of the situation that will be made once we plant our feet on the ground.

Okay, so, anyways, what paths do we have?

We have charted three separate paths for how we are to operate in the short-term, with the assumption that our current path will be fruitless. As is tradition, we will put our priorities up to a Dean Norris emoji vote. However, due to the ambiguity and sensitivity of this issue, this will be a ranked choice ballot, and we will weigh your Deans in a descending manner within your comment accordingly.

1. New Economic Policy :dean-frown:

Overview

With this plan, we fundraise to buy back the domain from the auction.

Pros

Basically all the pros that come with getting the domain back. These include:

  • Truly prevents all potential security risks that come with the domain turnover (e.g. MitM, phishing, shock-redirects, etc.)
  • No reintegration into federation necessary
  • No migration work necessary (business as usual)

Cons

  • Would have to be a community effort
  • Auction already at 2000$+
  • Would be in competition with chuds and crypto-bros for the bidding
  • Can’t snipe it, a bid extends the auction

Notes

In my own personal opinion, raising funds for this is the most cringe option. We would rather you be putting the money towards helping out some of our comrades on /c/mutual_aid or doing mutual aid in your own localities instead of forking it over to a registry parker for a bajillion dollars

2. The Long March :dean-smile:

Overview

Migrate to a Hexbear-branded alternative domain (possibilities secured to be listed post-vote)

Pros

  • No site overhaul required (iconography, agitation, etc., etc.)
  • Least-resistance path comparatively, we would be able to get operations secured much quicker than the other two, despite the bumps

Cons

  • Most vulnerable to schemes regarding the old URL and whoever gets it

Notes

I prefer this personally. I think anyone who is going to get swindled by the takeover of the .net site is already going to be fucked regardless if we rebrand or not. Anyone who doesn’t know the site alternative is affected by the lapse in the site already, so I’d argue the difference made by the rebrand is a bit moot? Anyone who can see the site at the moment can see the posts where we say we’ve changed domains and delete their browser history and cookies accordingly.

3. Cultural Revolution :dean-neutral:

Overview

Declare hexagons and bears to be bourgeois decadence. Choose a new domain without Hexbear-branding.

Pros

  • Disambiguates us from the previous domain, which is up for grabs and leaves us at risk.
  • If one dislikes the Hexbear branding, now is the time to change it

Cons

  • Longest process. Would require a lot more internal debate due to the scope of options.
  • Site overhaul required, the scope of which will also have to be debated.
  • We can’t exactly be sure that the options anyone here specifically wants are within our grasp unless they stake it out themselves, purchase it, as well as maintain and donate it to us until we either rule it out or go with it. We want to be responsible spenders with the coffers, and can’t in good faith debate the merits of domains/brandings that could be sniped or buy domains that we’re unsure of, en masse.

Notes

No notes other than emphasizing that the rebrand will be a lengthy debate and will take considerably more time than the other options.

Okay, so what do I have to do?

On this forum, you just have to :vote: Otherwise, inform other wayward users about the current backup domain of chapo.chat and to watch out for hexbear.net until further notice.

To recap the options:

  • :dean-frown: Fundraise to get back the old domain
  • :dean-smile: Keep site branding, change domain
  • :dean-neutral: Change site branding and domain

Your ranked-choice Deans will be tallied and weighed within a 12, up-to 24-hour window (approximately) and we will prioritize accordingly. Even so, as always, if you’re in line, stay in line. I’m still in line to vote for Michael Dukakis myself. There’s always a chance!

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  • Auction buying is the worst option, followed by rebranding. Old offsite discussions will lead nowhere in you rebrand.

  • Digital nomad lifestyle. Abandon all concept of a canonical domain. Declare branding bourgeois decadence that should be treated as fleeting at best. The site is the site. It shall be the site regardless of how it is accessed. When the hydra loses one head two more shall rise.

  • :dean-neutral:

    I think we should rename to something belonging to another brand that doesn't have its own domain as a bit (like how "superbowl" is "superb owl" and the NFL is seething over it). Then we can auction off the site every four years where we choose another brand to squat on.

  • Unless some of you are secret gacha game whales I don't think we'd stand a chance against the other bidders. And losing the hexbear branding seems like it would be a big hit to the userbase.

  • Paying thousands of dollars for a domain is chump shit.

    I think the long march will actually be the path of least resistance.

    But also, complete rebranding would be interesting from the perspective that we may attract other likeminded people that wouldn’t have joined before due to the reputation we have earned from bad faith libs.

  • Fuck those crypto-dick chucklefucks. Let's keep Hexbear, and make a concerted effort to undermine their shitcoin at every possible opportunity. Motherfuckers declared war on us.

    Starting with a new site tagline:

    BUY HEXCOIN TO SUPPORT HAMAS AND HEZBULLAH! VICTORY TO THE PALESTINIAN RESISTANCE! DEATH TO AMERIKKKA!

    Plus, I think people are underestimating how much fucking work it would be to not only migrate to a new domain but also re-brand and do a bunch of other micky mouse bullshit that was already done years ago.

    BTW is our domain back up / loading again?

    https://www.webpagetest.org/result/250214_AiDcCR_VR/

  • as of right now, hexbear<.>net nameservers are showing up as cloudflare and there is a note that it is pending transfer. i hope this is good news. its also resolving but idk if i should trust it

  • :dean-smile: I would also be okay with a rebranding, but don't have any ideas for said rebranding so idk. Worst option by far is spending the money on the url. If the site gets rebranded all I humbly ask is that the new site is named after me, again, humbly ask (demand)

  • :dean-smile:

    We are also looking into whether an ICANN-compliant grace period was implemented prior to the rescinding and auctioning of the domain.

    It was. I checked the historical WHOIS records and the problem occurred 30 days after the domain was set for renewal (in January).

    Most likely the owner received an email from the domain registrar on the day it fell over into the grace period or shortly before, something they likely ignored and which the domain registrar would point to as evidence of a "your problem not ours, we acted in good faith above and beyond requirements" situation. If someone here had noticed during that period and reached out (interesting how quickly after this happened admins were able to reach the person and truly unfortunate therefore this wasn't noticed a week ago) then the owner of the domain could indeed have prevented this by fixing payment details.

    there was an error in the auto-payment initially, the renewal funds were transferred manually to Sav and the auction continues despite that.

    Unless you can prove it was on their side and not a problem with the other party (you) and that such funds AND any other actions required by the registrar for domains in grace period (they have a right to demand someone login to a console, agree to terms, blah, blah, blah not JUST wire them cash) were completed BEFORE the end of the grace period you really have no legs to stand on. And even if you can prove it was their problem they probably have contracts that cover their ass though threats are always worth a try I suppose as is pleading. (And sending funds is not evidence of any contract, agreement, or rights conferred).

    Edit: I have noticed that the domain is now redirecting here. Either the people at the registrar were good enough to set that up after some pleading while the auction proceeds or perhaps for some reason your registrar is actually really good and is going above and beyond for you for some reason and stopping the auction.

  • Consult a lawyer. I have no idea what the law surrounding this is, but having an established and active user base and being a known entity within the fediverse may help us.

    Rebranding didn't work for twitter, it won't work for us

    Liberals complaining about the squareowls, formerly known as hexbears, would be funny

  • Keep logo and bear references, but don't use hexbear with a different TLD. It will make it too easy for someone to have people accidentally hit hexbear.net when the new URL is hexbear.zone. We should assume whoever purchases the domain will be malicious and trying to doxx us.

    chapo.chat is the best option IMO. It is recognizable, memorable to our long-time users, and already working. We should definitely acquire a second domain to prevent shit like this from happening again.

    I guess.

    Edit: also posts with votes should be labelled as such and not use subtle dean harris emotes for accessibility reasons.

  • If you guys lose control of the domain, should probably write some script to scrape the internet of old hexbear<.>net URIs on forums, social media, etc. and make a reply under it explaining that the domain got lost and it could be unsafe

    new owners may just copy the hexbear frontend (especially since it's open source) and steal passwords from people clicking on old links who didn't know the domain got taken

  • I'm thinking about all the poor folks that fear

    here. Do we want to go confusing them by giving them another

    However, if we don't have control of the original hexbear domain. Then yeah, that can create confusion and security concerns. In that case, a whole rebrand and domain is probably the way to go.

  • If the guy claiming to be the HexCoin dude bidding on the domain is not actually doing a bit, then it seems like our branding has literally cost them money in the past because nobody wants to invest in something associated with us. Keeping a similar domain name and branding will allow us to continue to fuck with a crypto scam, which is Good. Apparently it was a bit, but the point stands. Potentially fucking with their branding is funny and good.

    Under no circumstances should we spend thousands of community dollars on a domain name for a communist shitposting website. This should not even be a discussion.

  • I vote to keep Hexbear branding only to help old users find us again. Otherwise, I'd be fine with ditching the name.

  • Thanks so much for all the work that the admins are putting in. I really feel that the domain service kinda fucked you guys over. Jumping right to an auction is really shady and fucked up on their part.

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