1y ago

Tea Time

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"Preparation purist" is wrong. You don't boil the tea, you steep it in hot water. For some teas, like black tea, you usually boil the water before pouring it over the tea, but other types of tea use water that isn't as hot (e.g. around 70-80°C for green tea).
Also, if you actually want to be an ingredient purist, tea must be made from the leaves of Camellia sinensis (or a closely related species).
- You're arguing with a meme that put clogged gutter as pure tea ingredient
  
  Correct. That would be tea as long as it's camellia sinensis.
  
  i mean, if you consider tea to be leaves soaked in water until the flavor comes out, then clogged up gutter water is tea.
  
  The meme is terrible and shows the creator has taste buds that probably can't distinguish between gutter water and tea (especially after it's been BOILED a few hours).
- You hit the issue, theyre confusing tea, a specific plant, with an infusion. Herbal tea is more correctly called an herbal infusion. Tea is a type of herbal infusion.
  
  From https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbal_tea :
  ... most dictionaries record that the word tea is also used to refer to other plants beside the tea plant and to beverages made from these other plants. In any case, the term herbal tea is very well established and much more common than tisane.
  Furthermore, in the Etymology of tea, the most ancient term for tea was 荼 (pronounced tu) which originally referred to various plants such as sow thistle, chicory, or smartweed, and was later used to exclusively refer to Camellia sinensis (true "tea")
- I came to say the same thing about Camellia sinensis, thinking "am I about to be more of a tea purist than is even encapsulated in this chart?" So I'm glad somebody else got there first lol
- I'm steeping in sweat and I drank a lot of camellia sinensis, am I tea?
  
  Unfortunately for you, yes. Please report to the nearest Tetley factory for processing.
- ISO 3103. RTFM!
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3103
  
  This standard is not meant to define the proper method for brewing tea intended for general consumption, but rather to document a tea brewing procedure where meaningful sensory comparisons can be made.
  
  Misread that as Nobel prize and ...lol wtf
  
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3103
  Oh shit. My earl grey (brewed in a ceramic (earthenware) mug) is not tea because it brewed in a mug, not a tea pot.
- I've been to a workshop about green tea recently and you can prepare it with any water temperature. You can make it with cold water, it just takes longer. You can even place ice cubes into the can, put tea leaves on top and let them melt
  
  Ice brewed tea is a thing in the US. Take a pitcher with water and ice, throw it in the fridge overnight with some tea bags
  
  Yes, sun tea is tea. I'd really like to see this meme done by someone who actually knows something about tea (and doesn't think it involves boiling tea leaves)
- 100% agreed.
  Though I'm firmly in the "coffee is tea" camp
  
  Coffee is hot bean juice
  
  As long as you're not claiming to be a purist I'll allow it.
  
  I think coffee is sometimes tea, but turkish coffee and espresso are definitely not
- It depends. It's perfectly acceptable to boil the tea for many Indian preparations (usually called cha or chai).
  
  True, I forgot about that!
  
  That's not tea, it's chai.
- Thank you. I am horrified that I had to scroll past a discussion of "is pho tea"? to get here. The so-called purist has never even made a proper cup of tea! So obviously pho is NEVER tea, since stock is extensively boiled.
- It depends of the kind of tee your using. Once I bought the wrong type of turkish tea and next thing I now I'm boiling my tea during month so I don't drink a slighty darker version of hot water.

Actually ingredient purist should be "tea must be made from tea leaves (Camellia sinensis)". Black and green tea both come from the same plant. There are people who will tell you that chamomile is a "herbal infusions" and not tea because it comes from a different plant.
- If it's not made of tea, it's not tea. It's an infusion.
  It's extra annoying to me because in my first language there's separate words for "tea-tea" and "some boiled herbs-tea" that are commonly used, but thanks to lazy translation people are beginning to call everything "tea".
- If it doesn't come from the Camellia sinensis region of France it's not real tea, just sparkling leaf water
- Thank you! Tisanes are not tea. I will die on this hill.
  
  TIL a new fancy word.

I would try some saturn
- Anyone who would say no to a nice hot cup of Saturn is deranged.
- It'll fill you with gases
  
  I'm for any kind of gastronomy

Preparation futurist, Ingredient singularity:
- There's a singularity in that nebula.
- I have never rewatched Voyager and I think I have to soon.

It's only tea if it's made from the tea region of the plant. Anything else is sparkling suspension

Crude oil is texas tea, but mac and cheese requires milk not water.
- I think I've seen mac and cheese cups that ask for hot water.
- milk is tea
- Do you people not put milk in your crude oil? I find it suits the subtle bitterness of Alberta tar to give it a wonderful but subtle aftertaste.
- but mac and cheese requires milk not water.
  So does masala chai.

Tea preparation rebels are not constrained by shallow concepts like 'being edible'

Saturn is a mixture of gases. It has a solid rocky/hydrogen core surrounded by a layer of liquid hydrogen/helium. You could argue that this intermediate liquid layer might have solid particulates, and this would agree with the definition, but overall Saturn is too complicated to be classified this way. A better extreme example would be something like Earth's oceans.

As miso soup enjoyer i can confirm it's tea, because it's relaxing & delicious

Coffee is the best tea

So because i make cold berry tea in summer and think coffee is a tea too, i'm a "crude oil is tea" sort of guy? 🤨
- What, you don't enjoy a nice iced crude oil on a hot summers day?
  
  Son, fetch me another can of that crude oil, I'm mighty parched

- This is cool. Why would I want this?
  
  I've never used it, but the idea is that nutrient uptake will be faster than if someone just dressed the top of the soil with compost. The extra aerobic bacteria could also be beneficial.
  
  For liquid fertilizer, but seems silly when you can get the same results but just throwing the compost in the water and stirring it around, letting the solids sink to the bottom.
- This is the way

I'm sorry, but BOILING? You do not BOIL tea leaves unless you are an absolute heathen. You may pour just-off-the-stove, formerly boiling water over black tea leaves, making the tea about 210 degrees Fahrenheit. But you do NOT put allow water with tea leaves in it to BOIL unless you are seriously deranged.
- Yeah this. Biggest mistake most people that hate tea make is they dont bother learning that tea has specific temps for brewing depending on the leaves and that pouring boiling water off the stove on it will make most teas bitter.
  Many teas are best at 85-90C, just off the boil.

I guess I'm an ingredient purist, preparation rebel. If your house is surrounded by tea plants, and the tea leaves fall in the gutter, how is that different from brewing tea the normal way?
- Hey, that's basically tea's origin story.
  In Chinese legend, Emperor Shennong was drinking a bowl of just boiled water because of a decree that his subjects must boil water before drinking it.[12] Some time around 2737 BC, a few leaves were blown from a nearby tree into his water, changing the color and taste. The emperor took a sip of the brew and was pleasantly surprised by its flavor and restorative properties.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_tea
  
  mighty brave for an emperor to see that their water has changed color, and decide to try it anyway.
- Does your gutter contain 90°C hot water?
- Water isn't the ideal temperature. Everyone knows black tea must be made with water that's 212-210 degreases Fahrenheit
  
  JFC, for someone so bent about the proper way to prepare tea, one would think you'd be able to spell "degrees"
  
  I mean, he's not going to have black tea anyways as it won't have been prepared correctly.

Really feels like one should be "tea is made from tea"

So, is a martini with the olive on top, a preparation rebel/igredient neutral or ingredient purist?

This and the cube rule are the best way to make an argument for categorizing edible items

Beef tea was when people would boil jerky to rehydrate it. I actually do that at work sometimes! Most nights I enjoy bouillon broth on its own, but occasionally I'll spruce it up with a little jerky, and it actually thicken up and get more tender! It also GREATLY enhances the flavor of the broth. When the dry night air of the office is bothering my throat, nothing satisfies quite like warm broth.
(I get hot water by not putting any coffee grounds in the coffee machine. I also use this to prepare tea on occasion, and also ramen cups every once in a blue moon)
- +1 for coffee machine cup ramen, a very useful technique that I implement often.

If you boil coffee it'll be over extracted, bitter, and nasty.
- Same applies to green tea. Shouldn't go over 175F, or it'll be overly bitter as it extracts more caffeine.

Ever had Chinese medicine?
- Gotta keep the yang up

Asking anyway. Hey Fiora, is a hotdog in a hotdog bun considered a sandwich?
- It's a taco. Next question
  
  Rivers are hot dogs by the way

Double purist, the only way to be

I agree with top left and bottom right. Everything else is sacrilege.

Coffee isn't a tea, as you don't boil it. If you boil it, you burn the coffee! That's an extraction - you can steep it, but it's better if you just push the water through at high pressure (which will royally screw up a tea).
Ah, pedantry in pedantry. So - now for Lemmy to tell me what I've gotten wrong :⁠-⁠D
- Boiling green tea is also considered burnt, as green teas recommended steeping temp is 170-175, unless I misunderstood what you mean there.
  
  No, that's fair. Coffee at pressure is about 93 - 95°C... No idea for drip/french press/v60 etc. as I don't use those For Aeropress, I'd wait until the kettle stopped making noise, that seemed to be a good balance without burning the oils.
- Teas are generally not boiled, but steeped in hot water that was boiling a moment ago. I was going to say that cowboy coffee is boiled, but then I looked it up, and even then, the pot is pulled off the heat before adding the grounds.
- I boil my coffee, and a lot of people do. Espresso and derivatives are rather new way of making coffee, the old way is by boiling a coffee.
- I do boil coffee. One of us might be a coffee preparation purist.
- I've actually had coffee tea, I have Indonesian family and one of the times I visited I was traded a bag of coffee leaves and berries for agreeing to be in some advertising pictures, and its actually pretty good!

Coffee ≠ tea. Coffee is made from beans and tea is made from leaves. That's why tea tastes like grass clippings.
- Ginger tea though. It's fine not to consider that tea, but if you do call it tea, you have to let coffee in too.
  
  Counterpoint - coffee and tea are both soup.
- Coffee is made from seeds actually
- I have a Yogi tea with curry here. Sold as tea.
  
  Yeah and tomatoes are taxed like vegetables, that doesn't make it correct.
- It's ingredient neutral then.
- Lol y'all are just cranky because you drink leaf broth.
- Ackchyually, coffee is made from dried berries that people call beans for some reason
  
  While you're right and I forgot about that, it doesn't make a difference in the context of my argument.

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