And opposing those actions is not antisemitic.
We take those two things together as truth and we are getting somewhere.
194I really wish this didn’t need to be clarified every few days. Thanks, zionists and white supremacists!
53You know, it's that same right wing government's hasbara for the 70 years to confuse the difference between an Israeli, a Jew, and a Zionist so they could use antisemitism as a cudgel and the Shoah as a shield.
FINE: If I'm not allowed to criticize Israel without fixing antisemitism first, then Israel can't have any more weapons or cover in the UN until they solve race relations in the US.
44The current right wing government also doesn't represent every citizen of Israel either, but it is ok to use 'Israel' as a shorthand for the actions of the current right wing government when the actions are a continuation of decades of similar colonialism and the government is in power due to how the majority of the population voted.
So hatred against everyone in Israel is also wrong, but saying Israel is committing genocide doesn't require saying it is the current government.
This meme should say "The actions of Israel does not represent the will of all Jews,,,"
Edit: I expect everyone who down voted also refrains from using Russia, China, or the United States and other names of countries when making criticisms for consistency. "Russia didn't invade Ukraine, the current Putin led government did."
30It happens to be the Israel government that claims anything hamas does should be taken out on all Arabs in Gaza.
It’s only fair to offer them the same privilege - you elect a government and they represent your country. What they do the people has to answer for.
Should I be allowed to vote for someone that say “we should exterminate all swedes” and not stand to answer for that when they get power and start killing swedes?
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How can I tell decent Jewish organizations from those who actively support genocide?
18Read what they and their representatives publish and post on official social media accounts.
Those who support the genocide in deed are almost never shy about doing so with words too.
Anyways, Jewish Voice For Peace are the gold standard in accurate naming and one of the best anti war crime organizations in the world, so that's at least one right there 🙂
27Hey, as an ethnically Jewish person, thanks. I appreciate the highlighting of the organizations representing other Jewish voices who are anti-genocide.
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Legitimately, the fact that they're an American org will usually be a fair indicator.
The zionist movement fell flat on its face in the US during the foundation of Israel, so most pro-palestinian jewish activism will be based out of the US as well.
This dynamic has intensified enough since that initial split that Israeli Judaism has actually taken on fundamentally different qualities from American Judaism, to the point where some scholars would consider them separate denominational groups.
It's also fostered enough bad blood that a frequent dismissal of Israelis when hearing of Jews who oppose the settlement project is to say "they must just be stupid Americans."
They legit try to do the "they aren't authentic!" bit other old worlders and Latine folks will whip out when putting down their American cousins for not being identical to them, except with the Israelis it's even funnier because bitch you ain't where you came from either, that was literally the whole point of this great displacement project y'all whipped up!
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The jewish population in israel is in a better position to effect change than the loudest voices anywhere else
18And most of them happily endorse the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestine. We need to oust the Israelis as the fascists they are and make it clear that they do no speak for Jews in general and their fascist ideology is in direct contradiction to the values of Judaism. I am most worried for and most impressed by the few Jews in Israel that fight this fascist regime and get attacked and in return by it, while the West proclaims to stand for the fight against antisemitism by supporting the abuse of Jews who stand up for Jewish values.
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This is why I try to specify that my complaints are about Netanyahu or the IDF.
18I clarify my complaints are about Israel, the state, not Jewish people who do not live in the country.
You cannot have Netanyahu or the IDF without Israel existing.
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... Yep... And we repeat that sentiment for Hamas.
13Yes, thank you!
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The very belief that the decisions of the powerful few are a reflection of the opinions of the people as a whole is how we got ourselves into this mess in the first place...
10I wish we could say the same about Israelis.
10Not all Israelis support netanyahu or the death/colonisation. Even if maybe the majority do.
3Too many do, unfortunately.
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Same for Americans. There are some good ones in there.
6Actually Canadians are from a completely different country
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on a sidenote how's this format a meme, it's just weird to me
4Thousands of copies need to be airdropped over Capitol Hill by helicopter.
4Israel is a genocidal white supremacist settler-colonialist project regardless of what government it has. That is what it has been since the day it was created, that is what it will be until the day it is dismantled.
This will not change no matter where it's government sits on your silly little political axis infographic.
3I'm very opposed to Israels current actions. I don't think Israel should have been created. I think they are guilty of genocide and apartheid. None of that makes is OK to talk of dismantling Israel. The fact that they have committed hateful crimes against humanity does not justify visiting similar crimes against them. You cannot just dispossess a whole people of their land. It's a crime when Israel does it and it would be a crime to do it to them, too
7makes is OK to talk of dismantling Israel.
It is perfectly okay - and necessary - to talk about dismantling Israel. It is even more okay to actually do it.
You cannot just dispossess a whole people of their land.
You mean... like was done by Israel since 1948? I'm going to guess you also think the Soviet Union tossing Nazi Germany out of western Russia was some "great injustice?"
It's amazing how easily you liberals turn pro-colonialist at the drop of a hat. It's almost like you're no less right-wing than your (so-called) "conservative" cousins - you just need a different flavor of propaganda before you start shilling for the status quo.
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Most people living there (with or without Israeli passport) do not want to be complicit in the project you are describing, so clearly no. What you are describing is the agenda of a minority.
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We can oppose genocide without anti semetic bullshit.
3Everyone should get the chance to prove themselves an asshole.
3Read from Israeli activists like Ilan Papé describe the Israeli society as a fascist supremacist society. they don't care about the right of Palestinians to live freely on their land.
3I'm not arguing that what you're saying isn't true, but what does it have to do with OP's post?
8I wasn't talking about all jews around the world of course not, but arguing that Jewish people living in Israel and other jews supporting Israel are just as equally as responsible as the state of Israel. you wouldn't even hear a shred of concern towards the Palestinians beings bombed by their own people with their own money.
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it does represent most of israel though.
I mean his "actions" in gaza has 85% rating in israel and alot of other 15% is that he doesn't do enough.
2Israel's democratically elected right wing government.
0Is elected by Israelis, and not Jews in general, which is OP's point.
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South Park's comedic antics will be lost on droves of beautiful souls unless The Critic is rebooted.
0It feels like Jews are the ones who need to understand this
-3Not "Jews", but zionists specifically, who purposefully conflate themselves with Jews as a whole in order to label their opponents as antisemitic.
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