Can someone tell me the reason why these people don't want to leave Reddit?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/14knc6t/got_r4d_for_pirating_someone_elses_john_oliver_so/

Pirates want to stay on Reddit? This is the last group I had expected to have such a reaction, but here we are. Yes, the mod could have worded it better, but these people actually want to stick around on Reddit.

I personally find Lemmy to be a perfectly viable alternative to Reddit for such subs. I wonder about the reasons why these people still don't want to move.

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I feel like they don't understand the point of the john oliver posts. Someone said it only turns the community to shit. Yeah, that is LITERALLY the reason so that people migrate away and turn reddit into a mess after spez's decision. Oh, how quickly people forgot about the protest, spez was right.
- My favourite are the comments of people saying "return the sub back to normal, this shit is stupid and isn't doing anything! I don't even use Apollo so I don't care" - posted from Boost for Reddit.
  A lot of people don't even understand. They genuinely think this only affects Apollo and that Christian is being a baby lol. Can't wait to see their faces when their app stops working and they whine.

Because Lemmy isn’t as conveniently accessed, and it’s just slow.
It’s also confusing.
- Can you mention the specific points of confusion that have impeded your experience here?
  
  Trying to find a community for a popular topic isn’t the easiest in the world… it’s a bit like the old days where you had to find a good forum for the topic you wanted to chat about.

To be fair, anyone who actually cares is not on reddit anymore, so you're seeing the worst of the worst takes.
A lot of people on r/piracy are pirates by convenience, not by ethics. The sub being shut down is not convenient for them. It's really sad to see how many people have the attention span of a goldfish, and can't think beyond "this isn't convenient for me today."
- Pirates by ethics = root of socialism, anarchism?
  Pirates by convenience = root of capitalism and imperialism?

It's so hard to join lemmy now, and everything lags in lemmy even just an upvote...

I have only just joined over here on Lemmy, so let me try to explain what took me so long. Reddit, even though a shit hole, is easier to use and has ingrained itself with google for even easier use. Lemmy is a nightmare to try and find boards ya interested in for common people, as each .com is it's own sign up and own set of boards, it's not you go to one site, sign up and find what ya want, you need to know each little lemmy.insertnamehere to find a certain ammount of boards.
This is just my experience and everyone could be different, basically put, laziness and simplicity i think are the two main reasons.
EDIT: not to mention that just took about 5mins to post..... wtf is up with this site?

I just took a look at one of the most popular recent "mutiny posts" and wow, it really has gone to shit. I get that some people might not care about the API mess, but they actively hate the mods there. Half the comments are just unhinged and are still upvoted.
There was even an unabashed antivaxer comment from some guy drawing some sort of insane comparisons between mrna and r/Piracy mods and even that was upvoted lol
I don't know if the numbers back this up but I hope that the reason for this is just that the reasonable people moved to Lemmy and it's just the crazies left there...

This is actually something I think might be concerning in the long run. Reddit's current direction has driven away a contingent of users who tend to share similar moral values; Lemmy's userbase tends pretty left with a lot of content here being anti-capitalist and pro-marginalized groups. It makes sense that decentralized federated networks would be attractive to those subsets of users.
What I'm afraid of is that this will create a vacuum in which Reddit becomes even more of a breeding grounds for right-wing rhetoric and propaganda without the presence of these users to balance it out a bit. I know that as a Reddit-addicted teen, I hovered dangerously close to some pretty disgusting ideologies. Thankfully I discovered some leftist communities which expanded my narrow worldview and veered me to a much happier path. I don't think reddit as a platform will die, but I fear those communities might, and I shudder to think at what reddit could become without them.
- Yeah I don’t really think left nor right should be thrown in the mix. I don’t “reddit” much at all, but I’m def more right than I am left. I think it’s quite out of touch to believe Reddit is just right wing and is gonna get flooded with even more right wing people. In my experience I’ve seen more left wing on reddit. Maybe that’s just me. Or maybe our definitions of what really is right wing and left wing are a bit different. Idc much either way as long as I can see what I want online.
  
  Just before this gets too off topic, please remember this is c/piracy, not c/politics. Any further political posts will get removed.

/r/Piracy
That's not the real games piracy sub anyways. The true successor of the scene-watching community is and always was /r/CrackWatch and even there people are very aware that they're not contributors, just spectators. So basically, it was a place for movies piracy, and movies piracy is and always been the most piss easy, top result on google piracy around. I haven't gone on a single website to pirate movies in a decade, shit is all searchable either directly on qBit and deluge or on tracker tools.
They don't want to come over, so what? They're irrelevant. A wiki service reddit, barely anything else. A place for people who unironically install uTorrent and don't even know what the u stands for.

Hey, they can stay on Reddit with their beloved memes, I don't really care.

Why wouldn't they want to stay? It works for them. Before ideology, before morality, before any other thing you can conceive of is plain, simple convenience. And Reddit is certainly convenient. Once enough users leave, they'll leave, too.

People's resistance to change is quite strong, even if they have good reason to leave and lemmy/fediverse are great alternatives the fact is that in terms of UX lemmy can be quite different and takes some time to find and rebuild a list of communities to join, specially since you can have the same community on different servers (i.e. technology on beehaw vs technology on lemmy.world) and just this fact means a learning curve for people that for the most part don't like change.

I have the opposite question, what trait of a pirate makes you think they would leave reddit?
- Whether pirates have wanted or not if they pirated long enough they have experience lot of things being killed off. Torrent sites they relied on dying and disappearing for good like rarbg. Recent reddit causality being r/newyuzupiracy. Direct links being killed off like megaupload. Discord channels dedicated to piracy or jailbreaking being banned and killed off (why isn't stuff like matrix more common instead of hoping Discord ignores them?).
  The constant search for new methods to piracy p2p, torrents, usenet, i2p, irc, discord bots, telegram bots, etc.
  It's not an area that has stability so pushes people to constantly be searching and finding new ways to pirate. Being on centralized places has always been borrowed time. Piracy in the long run always ends up having to search for a new home, better places, better methods. It's a nomadic lifestyle in the digital space by the nature of it and the hostility towards pirates from those in power.
  But, one thing that has remained a constant has been decentralization. With no better representation of that spirit than bittorrent. As long as a few people have it the source remains alive.
  
  Wait rarbg was shut down?
  Are there any ones as good?

They probably don't want to learn, so they won't try to learn how to use Lemmy or Kbin.
- Pretty cringe given that they had to learn in order to pirate in the first place. I can't imagine being this lazy.
  
  Ribbits

I have known about lemmy for a long time. Im happy its starting to have a population. Only reason I am sad to leave reddit is I have used it to save answers to my questions and save guides etc. Its more an archive for me
- I've actually had lemmy results come up in google the last few days sometimes, so maybe more people just need to use it.
  Granted, those questions were lemmy related, but it's a start

Habit spawns laziness and stupidity as well as a false sense of loyalty.

Lemmy still has the same inherent drawbacks of Reddit, but now the mods have complete power with no admin oversight whatsoever.
The moderators of a community have no right to kill it. If people wish to leave for Lemmy, I welcome it. if the other sub died naturally, I'd migrate over here myself (the same way I migrated to Reddit gradually through dozens of forums dying naturally)
Forcefully trying to kill the sub serves no purpose other than to centralize piracy knowledge, benefit Reddits IPO by getting rid of a hated subreddit, and allow more mod censorship. Also, Lemmy isn't indexed by google, so you're fully reliant on the inbuilt search unlike Reddit. (which makes Lemmy less useful for finding specific content)
Lemmy is still in it's early stages. I'm a part of 1k+ communities on Reddit and fewer than half have a prescence on Lemmy or an equivalent.
Dearth of NSFW content. (I mean really, it's kinda sad. Even twitter has more regularly posted nsfw than Lemmy.)
UI and UX are garbage. I've had more 503s on Lemmy the past week than Reddit the past 8 years. The new reddit app looks & feels better than any available android app for Lemmy. (and honestly on desktop too)
Why 'move' ?
If the mods don't want to moderate the old sub, then pass the torch.
Considering piracy's focus on decentralization, y'all are oddly supportive of centralizing your content on a Lemmy instance hosted by one guy.
Which brings me to:
The person who hosts the Lemmy instance can edit the database directly just like Spez can with Reddit. You're trading centralized power around admins for centralized power around the server host. So essentially just downgrading to the old forum days.. (you know, the stuff Reddit replaced in large part.)
I'm sure this will get downvoted to hell, but these are a few reasons why the Reddit community shouldn't be killed.
- Lemmy IS indexed by Google. Try searching for “site:lemmy.world” for instance. Also, if it you don’t like the way one admin is running their communities/server then you can move to another server/community and be completely out of the control of the first. Try doing that on Reddit.

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