Yea. I'm not from the US (so an outsider's and probably naive perspective) ...

but the whole Biden thing seems off. Trump is a known quantity. The point of his running, at a basic level and besides vengeance, is to try the MAGA thing again without COVID "interfering". Also, if you think back to the 2020 Dem primaries, where no one was really happy with any candidate and many were asking of the Dems "is that the best you've got" ... a Trump sequel is kinda republicans forcing that question again.

As for all of the attention ... well there's a lot on the line here: Trump's a known quantity ... so, Dems, how you going to defeat him this time? Because ... if you lose to Trump, twice, both times by standing by a party elder ... that's maybe "shame on you". Moreover, we all knew Biden was old. A single term was sorta, kinda part of the deal because of that (remember, he wasn't doing well in the primaries, he never has really). So, has a bargain been broken here? A gamble lost? A mistake, perhaps all the way back in 2020 but certainly behind the decision to run again, come to fruition?

Beyond all of that ... I thought excessive media attention on Trump and the free publicity he gets was a bad thing (he's probably jealous about Biden's media attention lol)?

More importantly, there's nothing you can do to convince someone who's dumb enough to vote for Trump, not to. This is why chasing "swing" voters is a really terrible strategy and always has been. There's literally nothing Trump could say or do to alienate the voters he has now, no one is undecided on Trump.

What determines the outcome for Democrats is the same it's ever been; turn out. It's why Biden won in 2020, it's why the GOP is constantly trying to sabotage and suppress voter registration. And it's why it's critical that Biden steps down, he simply cannot drive the needed turn out now and is unwilling to form a coalition with non-conservative democrats/independents.

It actually did. It wasn't just lies, but he is also losing plot about what he is talking about.

But yeah, I guess that's not much difference in the greater scheme of things.

And “tongue tied” Is a straight up, fucking lie. It was surprising just how bad Biden was in that debate. You are right that trump seems to be consistently shity and incomprehensible.

Trump's administration is asking why Israel isn't using nukes

You know, in case anyone had any doubts at all

You are right, the Democratic administration is fucking terrible. But its still better than the republicans. Can’t wait to vote third party on the next election cycle when people tell me i can vote how i wish.

Do you guys really not remember anything from the last 3.5 years? I get not liking Trumps admin, but Bidens admin has objectively been so poorly run it makes me wonder if they are fucking everything up intentionally. Biden has to be the worst admin in my lifetime even beating out the George W Bush debacle that got us into two endless wars.

100%. People want to act like it was a "bad debate performance" but it was absolutely eye opening to the american people. Its not about who won or lost a debate.

Well the facade was bound to pop eventually, it was just easy to keep when you have done 100 less press events than literally any president in the last 4 decades.

He's been really really just hidden away and relying on good press to do all the talking for him and that's now gone for sure.

Trump lying his ass off just isn't news anymore

Therein lies the problem. It should be the ENTIRE news. This is what we get when we let huge companies dictate the "news" and push all this crap about Biden yet basically nothing about Trump.

It's not journalism- it's money.

Biden performed horrendously compared to expectations, that’s why he gets the focus.

Infuriating because people writing these headlines already know this. The entire purpose of these headlines is to deflect the real problem of Biden's inability to fulfill his role as Chief Executive onto "Ah but have you considered Trump is worse?!"

I know Trump shouldn’t get a pass

I don't think he really benefited from the debate either. Its not like anything he said resonated with the audience. It was the standard litany of grumpy old fascist bullshit. His approval rating didn't go up. Nothing he said has endured as a talking point or meme. He didn't even score a good laugh line.

This was a spectacle precisely because Biden was supposed to come out as a powerful voice to rally the mushy indie voters and... he didn't. We have this enormous pool of people who are disgusted with both candidates. Biden didn't put anything on the table to win them over. Trump didn't either. So now we go into the convensions with two of the must unlikable candidates in living memory.

He could have been better. But there are more debates. He can come out stronger next time.

This article is about media reaction, not social media users.

I think like half of them still mostly want the protest. Like "we'll make things bad so you in your delusions would finally see that it was bad earlier too". Maybe not very logical.

Faced by two bad choices, some people feel it as defiance to pick the worst.

But that's just about humanity, not about USA, I don't know anything about the USA, haven't even been there.

At this point, it's clear his base does not read the news outside of their own bubbles, so why do people care that at least in our own bubble we remain critical. Otherwise, it's a continued shift from a vote between full on fascism or a one party state.

Or, billionaires own media and using them to shape public opinion so they can get more corporate friendly candidate.

Biden was perceived as corporate friendly in 2020, but he delivered more worker friendly policies and also is promising to increase taxes on rich

There were moderators? The only people i noticed were 2 seriously overdressed stage hands that handled muting microphones. Other than that it was just Biden and Trump being total embarrassments.

Because we all knew trump would lie. That's not news. What we didn't know, is how far Biden has slipped since 2020.

Harris needs to get out there and campaign hard.

DNC doesn't care and pretending they do is pointless.

Oh you’re spot on. Trump likes to go on about his ratings, but even people who wouldn’t vote for him in a million years watch him. He’s entertaining. I don’t suppose it would be so bad if so many people didn’t see him as more than entertaining.

I’ve been guilty of it for 9 years now. “What crazy thing will Trump do next?” I used to sit when something would happen and refresh his twitter page because I knew that whatever he was about to do, it was going to be thoroughly entertaining.

I’ve found myself thinking, “this can’t be real” so many times.

You couldn’t give me anything to give him a vote because I don’t think he’s the right man for the job. I can see why a lot of people do. There have always been people who believe that leaders should lead through shows of strength. I get it, but I believe that leaders should lead through intelligence. A leader should be calm, collected, strategic, and intelligent. I just don’t see Donald Trump as any of those things. I see him as impulsive and a threat to the progress that so many people have fought for.

Biden’s performance at the debate has me terrified. It would have taken him sitting there drooling on the ground to frighten me enough to vote for Trump. I’m really hoping all the people who showed up in 2020 feel the same way. The damage an angry Trump could do this time could be irreparable. We all seen the “save America” rally and everything that followed. We’ve seen his stacked courts give him the power of a king. Take a moment and watch the videos of him recording his message to the people on Jan 6 if you haven’t seen it. Not the message itself, but the process of recording it.

I’ll shut up now. Y’all be good. :p

This. Plus that Trump will never back out and I doubt the Republican Party would have the strength to force him. On the other hand. getting a better suited candidate then Biden appeared to be somewhat possible for a moment, but I'd say that moment is probably over.

It wasn't out of the norm, it's just up till that point all the gaffs were smaller audience and MSM and online CTR types constantly saying things like "he's got a stutter!" or "you're just ageist!" and the debate was much more obvious and watched by enough that those deflections aren't working anymore.

I held my nose and voted Biden last election BTW, we just should have faced the facts that he's clearly been in cognative decline and put in place steps to have a successor prepared, but the party decided it had to be Biden and here we are.

Don’t forget thats how we got Joe in the first place, lost all the first dem primaries in 2020, while the media kept saying don’t count him out because reasons, while literally hiding wins by Bernie and other dems. I wonder where all these people come from that think a confirmed liar Source and has been in politics so long he supported and advocated for segregation Source that raised $127 million just last month Source is somehow being targeted by corporate interests and needs to be protected?

Yeah, this does feel a bit astroturfed, I think they don't like his promises of increasing taxes on rich and strengthening protections for workers.

Or maybe unlike basically any president before him in modern times Biden has the lowest public appearance rate and the least press meetings since fucking Reagan and he even had more with his early onset dementia.

Biden has literally hidden from view and hoped decorum and order would see him through to a second term and it's not working especially when he comes south of the shadows and drops a debate like what we saw.

Honestly the people around Biden aren't competent either. They are just rich people from prestigious colleges who "yes and" and want to stay influential and paid. They do their job which is more than Trump's cabinet but none of them are some heroic savior of this terrible presidential election no matter how much you want it to be.

Appease the thoughts of him losing however you want but that won't stop it either.

Vested interest in any government that doesn't threaten their wealth. Capitalists always thrive in fascism.

Biden really is just full on running Trump's 2016 campaign huh?

When's he gonna start yelling about Trump's emails?

Well he answered the question about abortion by ranting about an immigrant woman dying at the border.

No no. Far worse.
How an immigrant murdered this woman who was pregnant. And that there's lots of it. Maybe? And then rambling about women being raped all the time by their family.

But at least that was before they both started arguing just fine about golf handicaps.

I don’t understand how anyone… ever …can reconcile that Biden has let through 9.000.000+ illegal immigrants in a few short years and already begun to the social unrest as a result…

But further to that we can see the elections system remains easily defrauded, suggesting issues that could result in illegal immirants getting away with voting and having their vote counted…

The only way I can see Bidens actions and inactions being a good thing is he seems to be rapidly accelerating the totality of collapse that can bring the country to essentially civil war and a breaking up of the states between red and blue … which could result in more of an EU situation

The strongest argument I've heard against changing is that Ohio requires a candidate to be registered before the Democratic convention. Fucking Ohio. Who let them be a swing state?

My beacon of hope is the people oldman Joe surrounds himself with and his party. Putting it on one guy is absurd. The RGB comparison is also bad.

It does, that's why we want a stronger candidate than Biden. Everyone already knows where Trump stands on things and has for years at this point so shining a light on it does not help. It shouldn't even be close and yet it is because the Dems keep trying to jam candidates no one likes down our throats.

Personally speaking I don’t think the wealthy elite of the US will back a fascist coup anytime soon. In all the history of fascism, it’s usually only been supported by the powers that be when said powers are threatened by an organized radical left. No such left really exists in the US. Until that time, I expect nothing to fundamentally change about the slow decline of the US and the two party system.

Sounds like something a Palestinian would say! /s

Giving Trump more air time just makes more people know about Trump.

We can't hide the Democrat candidate for fear of his public appearance hitting his ratings and also try to parade him around as competent. It turns into telling not showing and any film major can tell you that's a crappy movie that no one will buy.

People need to see a guy who looks like they can handle a job and hear about it. To much begging on Trump just brings us back to Trump.

Because their "ceasefire" proposal is the same as Russia's was : lay down and give us complete control of your territory, and we reserve the right to continue killing you afterwards.

That's not a treaty, that's imperialism backed by murder.

With all due respect, of which I feel very little is actually due, fuck that.

And Trump has said that Israel should "just finish the job".

What makes you think that he will lift a finger to help the Palestinian people?

And what about your Congress and Senate? Aren't they the ones who send the money and arms to Israel?

Shouldn't you be on their collective ass?

Lied continually. Like multiple times.

I'm sorry but I don't see it or hear it. I don't like Trump but this looks like the kind of propaganda where they just blatantly lie about a video. It relies on our brains expecting something to be there so it makes it up. You defeat it by getting the accusation but then skipping to the video so you don't hear the accusation ten times before watching it. So in summary Trump supposedly pauses, strains, and then there's an audio component. I didn't observe any of the three elements.

Trump is almost as old as Biden and probably more senile. It's not just lying, Trump has a complete lack of understanding about how anything in the government functions. He only sounds coherent to many people because he literally says nothing.

If you re-watch the debate, you'll see Biden actually responds to questions about his policies and platform. Trump never comes close. Part of that is probably because he has no platform, but largely because I don't think he's capable of answering those questions.

Sure but Trump seems to have soiled himself during the debate. There are videos discussing this going around.

Ok boomer

You should look up what dementia actually entails. It's not a joke to be thrown at people who are just simply old and can't articulate the way they used to. Which was the case with Biden.

It's an insult to those who suffer from the disease and belittles their struggles.