Apple users bash new iPhone 15: ‘Innovation died with Steve Jobs’

Actually the EU only forced them to adopt USB C. Only their 'Pro' model actually has USB 3. Imagine having to pay a premium for the luxury of a 15 year old technology

Did Jobs build teams that invented the GUI, the cellphone, multitouch gestures, or mobile web browsing? No, he didn’t. But he built teams that productized those things better than anyone else before them, and that team forever changed our expectations for computing.

To be an innovative composer you don’t have to invent new instruments, scales, time signatures, etc. You have to know how to arrange existing stuff in new ways.

Yeah because the first iPhone wasn’t a Revolution,

Except that their implementation of USB-C will be way slower than the lightning port.

Edit: I've been schooled.

Their Laptop Chips are in fact leading technology. Intel and AMD are far behind in Performance/Power used

Yeah wtf is apple innovating?

They can’t. It’s clearly stated that the USB connector is still limited to the lightning speed.

I bet you also think it's the year of the Linux desktop 🙄

It’s an insult to call this an article, is regurgitating some shit some dudes on twitter said.

Functioning AI voice assist, foldable, better peripherals, better input systems, better data transfer between systems, more durable, better battery life, repairable, more sustainable, better UI, decentralised communication options, meshnet options, etc.

There's plenty to do about smartphones that needs innovating...

are there any great innovations left

Honestly, this is such a weird take because, yes. Of course there are innovations left, you just cannot think of them yourself now because then they obviously would not be innovative but rather same old same old. Now the rate of new innovations probably did slow down a lot, I agree with that, so its harder to find something that is innovative in this space.

Of course, they're just being done on Android until Apple takes them on later and markets them as their innovations.

Foldables are already a thing and the next iPhone will likely be their version of it.

They sure made USB3 look like a breakthrough innovation, though...

I've commented this elsewhere in this thread:

All accessory vendors are going "woah, revolutionary! Apple is now USB-C", but Apple itself isn't being too pushy about it. They're more focused on the titanium shell, better cams and action button.

I dislike Apple, but I think it's mostly vendors and reviewers that highlight the connector (both protocol and form), Apple isn't doing it.

I think innovations in phones are going to go the other direction honestly. Bringing back shit like eink displays, batteries that last days, fuck it, am/fm... New consumer tech is outpacing the users needs. I see a touch of old standards making a comeback. Hell how old is USB-C?

I am holding out for rollables! There still so many things that can be done. Satellite coms and holographic displays are my dreams.

Pov: you dont understand what innovation mean.

Innovation is kind of their job

Let me install my own third party apps w/o the App store (I know altstore exists, but needing to renew apps every few days is super janky). If I spend my money on a device, I should be allowed to put whatever I want on it, however I want. Let me, the consumer accept the risks of doing so.

This is THE reason I switched from Apple to Android in 2017 and never looked back.

Unless forced this will never happen on Apple devices. The reason has nothing to do what they claim, about protecting users and people not knowing better. It has everything to do with locking people in their ecosystem. If uncurrated store appears it might bring with it applications that help people migrate out of the Apple ecosystem or provide compatibility with "undesired" devices. Better compatibility with Android watches means lower chances of people buying Apple Watch, etc.

How would they sell you a mac or a iPad along the iPhone if they open The iPhone that much? We still live in capitalism sir.

Seriously, I would buy an iPhone if it was not so locked down. I like a lot of things about them but I need my non app store compliant apps

Let me install my own third party apps w/o the App store (I know altstore exists, but needing to renew apps every few days is super janky). If I spend my money on a device, I should be allowed to put whatever I want on it, however I want. Let me, the consumer accept the risks of doing so.

I'm honestly a bit divided on this. Like yes, freedom is great, but the Apple app monopoly, for all its faults, does one good thing and it's the fact that all the software is easily available in one place and I am not forced to install multiple app stores to search trough to find what I'm looking for. It turns out that while I like to tinker with personalized Linux installs on my computers, on my phone I just want it to work as quickly and easily as possible without having to figure things out.

I would like an easier way to compile your own app packages for the phone though.

I really liked the times when features were added and not killed off.

10 years ago you could purchase a flagship phone with IR blaster for controlling whatever you couldn't find a remote for, or trolling people in public spaces by turning off their TVs. Cloud storage wasn't as popular, but if your phone died, the images were safe on the micrSD card. Bluetooth headsets were a thing, but you could always just use a cheap pair of headphones to stick in the headphone jack. People who desired it could install a custom ROM with all kinds of optimizations and less bloat. It used to be a lot more popular back then. Other than cameras, battery life, and reversible and more robust USB-C connectors, there isn't much innovation. I used to feel like I owned my device much more back then. Now I only use the stock ROM, can either use wireless headphones or ones that use the charging port. I can't insert a microSD, or test new features for Android ported from other devices by someone on XDA Developers. I'm not using the phone the way I want, but the way the companies who made it decided on.

The base model of the iPhone still doesn't have USB 3 and won't have the latest USB-PD. The USB 2 standard was released over 20 years ago. The Lightning plug was released over 10 years ago. The plug technology on iPhones is seemingly being kept out of date on purpose. At least that is what people are complaining about.

It has nothing to do with features and performance, most people don't use those anyway. You really don't need 8-core CPU on your phone but it's 2 more than 6 and me having 8 and you having 6 has everything to do with that. People love status symbols and pointing them out to others, as if that makes them better by comparison or something.

No matter what others say, you really don't feel limitations of your device. Sure screen might feel a bit faster, animations might feel more fluid. None of those a crucial to device operation and use and certainly not worth paying premium price for newest iteration that has all those marginally improved. It's just consumerism at work.

Case in point, pretty much every MacBook Pro has a TPM chip on it (trusted platform module). Guess how many people used it or has it configured to supply entropy to their systems to increase security. ThinkPads also have those, but most other laptops don't. Even most developers don't know what those are. They are great addition and extra feature for business users... but for the most part it's just another thing on the spec sheet that people pay for but never use.

As for the every imaginable feature... it seems they are being removed rather than added. I found 3.5mm jack useful. I wish we still had qwerty keyboards on our big screen devices as most used feature of phones these days is typing. I wish we had expansion slots and memory cards. I wish we had replaceable batteries so you don't have to depend on finding an outlet on long trips. I wish we had sapphire screens so you don't have to worry about scratching your screen. I wish we had smaller devices because some people just need a phone and not a tablet or they have smaller hands. But naaah... removing those is considered brave.

I agree. We don't really need anything else from a pocket computer. Just keep improving what we have. Nothing wrong with that at all. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head and making them buy the new version every year.

Better local AI capability. It's definitely something they are working with, introducing new accelerator features with new processors. Currently most of the actually great AI tools still require you to offload the workload to a server somewhere. And some stuff is not worth doing in a mobile device before it can be done at a fraction of the power.

For the basic hardware features, mainly the camera and image processing tools are actually relevant. Almost all non professional photography in the world is now done with phones and there is still a lot to do to improve the miniature cameras.

Some of the greatest new features from the past few years are things people don't even realize weren't always there. Like for example my phone opens up when I pick it up and look at it. And locks when I put it down. This makes usage so much more fluid and is something that did not happen just ten years ago. This kind of UI optimizations are way more important than some numbers in spec sheet. And the local AI processing I mentioned is a key in enabling more situations where the phone understands what you want without you explicitly pressing buttons.

Lol wot? "Every feature imaginable" 🤣🤣🤣 did I read this right?!

(almost) fully agree. However, I think people are just waiting for the next "game changer" since it's been quite long since the "smartphone" was launched... and as you say, foldables obviolsy didn't fill that desire. Computers, on the other hand, has seen some quite big improvements lately. Mainly with small, energy efficient chips (like the m1, m2...) so there is hope for a not so stagnant market with only marginal gains.

Foldables are catching on, they're growing absurdly fast.

100% this

It’s some idiots on Twitter being reposted by a trash tabloid. This site should be banned from here it’s garbage.

It's better for the environment anyway. Regardless of manufacturer. There's also almost no need to get a new device every year. Marginal hardware upgrades mean very little to average consumer, it's just a numbers race and most people don't really take their devices to the edge of performance.

The haters are looking for any surface to attack.

The iPhone is their cash cow

Isn't the Apple ecosystem their cashcow? Get them hooked on one Apple device and "Look! Everything Just Works™" is kind of their shtick.

All accessory vendors are going "woah, revolutionary! Apple is now usb-c", but Apple itself isn't being too pushy about it. They're more focused on the titanium shell, better cams and action button.

Usb-c is going to be a big deal for connecting devices to the phone.

Android users welcome you to 2017...

Now I don’t need to have some studios lightning adapter to plug in a usb drive or to get video out.

...or not. Apple will limit USB-C to USB 2.0 speeds so... good luck with that.

This is a take I would expect to see on Reddit, it’s simply not true. None of those devices run iOS either which is what a lot of people prefer. It’s okay to dislike something, you don’t need to insult the people that do.

Premium Android phones are just as expensive as iPhones and come with worse software quality and shorter support periods.

“We put a bigger number on the box.”

Didn't they actually participate in it's invention...?

Did you forget about the groundbreaking feature of the removal of the audio jack?

That’s probably true for most phones. There’s only so much you can do with the black obelisk they’ve all become and now we’re just quibbling over what external connections they have. I mean you could tweak the camera, put in a better battery, better processor…but the obelisk phone is done as far as what can be “innovated”.

Do it. I did and never regretted it. I don't know anyone who has. And you aren't locked in like you think. It's really easy to convert everything over.

I don’t think Apple has every really had great backwards compatibility. Apple’s last PowerPC computers shipped in 2005, and in 2009 Snow Leopard released with no PowerPC support. That’s 4 years of upgrades, which is about the same as it is now for macOS.

I hear Linux is on the rise. ;)

This will be tough when the USB interface is still using USB 2.0.

Lightning was already capable of USB 3 speeds. The OG iPad Pro had it.

They just never brought it over to their phones/cheaper ipads.

And Samsung quickly switched back to USB 2 shortly after because nobody really cared and it created other problems.

The base model hardware is usually the chips, boards and controllers from last year’s pro phones. If that trend continues, next year’s base models will be on the new IO.

It's shocking that they're so openly scamming their customers. Base models comes with last's year chip and features. Has a gimped USB 2.0 port for maybe a 5$ difference. It's a total insult.

No one's claiming that Apple was never innovative, they developed the smart phone and helped out computers in the household. However, those years are way behind them and the only thing they do now is find new ways to hoodwink their customers into buying the same thing each year.

That likely had much more to do with the China drama.