AOC says many who want Joe Biden off ticket also want to remove Kamala

I will vote for any Democrat but I would prefer it not be Kamala

I'd vote for AOC, tbh

She's not wrong.

The courts are bad now people think, wait till more seats are replaced.

People don’t understand what a big deal this is. Corrupting the trusted-by-tradition institutions like the courts is one way fascists can get the whole country in a chokehold.

Gunned down a bunch of BLM protestors? Eh, they were asking for it. Probation.

Climate change demonstration? 10 years

We’re already about 60% of the way there. It’s already happening that people are committing really major crimes and it’s okay if they’re on the right team.

VOTE

Ugh. I agree that Kamala sucks, but I think it’d be a mistake to try to go with anyone else at this point. She has a pulse, a functional brain, lots of political experience, a long life ahead of her, and yeah, she’s made some terrible decisions and gaffs in her career, just like Joe Biden.

I don’t like that she was a cop, but Joe Biden chaired the Senate Judiciary committee for like 100 years, and got us Clarence Thomas, so…nobody has the moral high ground here.

We just need to win, and frankly I think if we try to go with someone new and untested, we’ll lose. We’ve been in a “lesser of two evils” situation for some time now.

Nothing hurts a political campaign more than uncertainty.

I’ll bet the MAGA camp is loving this shit right now.

Does anyone like Kamala lol

I'm going to vote Democrat.

Straight ticket.

Just like every freaking year because i'm too scared to vote Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communist Party.

I'm voting for the administration that will keep democracy alive in our country.

And it's 🔵🔵🔵

eh I'll take Kamela. It'd be hillarious to see a racist beaten by a black woman

Just remember that during the 2016 election, the "If not Bernie, then Trump" bros turned out to be Russian interference.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's just Russia trying to split the Dem base.

AOC should run. I'd vote for her.

Harris has done so little I had to think for a second to remember what her name was. Other VP have really gotten coverage, like Pence or Gore. But Harris has really stayed mostly on the sidelines.

Kamala and AOC would be a lit ticket. I still think we're barreling towards another Reagan era victory by doing this. But that "medical emergency" + instant COVID was almost a sign from the universe.

I'd prefer Buttigieg simply because he is such an effective communicator. Other than that I'd prefer someone much more leftist than him.

She's not wrong. The only people I know who support / like Kamala work in the administration

Kamala is a brown lady cop. EVERYONE hates her and she was kept out of the spotlight for a reason.

If we do drop Biden, she is it. But anyone leaping at that is a useful idiot, at best

The whole "but they might not be on the ballot in Ohio" rings a lot less worrisome when you see that Trump is +9 in the state vs Biden:

Well it's risky either way. That said Kamala as vp was supposed to represent the "in case of emergency break glass" younger democrat - not too left, just neolib enough for the party, yet younger - that would step in if Biden's age became an issue.

It's now an issue and she didn't play a role in reassuring the public, so...

As damning as it is to the US, the best bet for winning is a good-looking, smooth-talking white guy who will look presidential when compared with Trump.

She is spot on. Harris doesn't make a better top of ticket.

If they take Biden off the ticket they're gonna put a corporate puppet in power. Fuck, I wonder if they're trying to get Trump elected on purpose.

Reading these comments here, it's obvious either 1. This thread is filled with shills or 2. Democrats have learned NOTHING from Hillary and are ready to score an own goal at the 89th minute.

I'll admit it, I don't want her, either (not that someone like me has any influence). But she'd be a better option than Joe.

Especially if she picks the right VP. And please, for fucks sake, I hope they do a good job picking a VP. Don't rule out cishet white males, as a for instance, FFS. The Democrats love to play stupid identity political games and constantly do these self-owns. Although if AOC has a clone they could choose as a VP, that would be fantastic. But that's not because they tick some arbitrary set of diversity checkboxes....it's about policies.

Well, yeah. She has an even worse chance of winning than the guy with covid for brains

AOC and the left didn't want Biden either in the first place. It's not like the left is going to go vote Trump.

I'm interested in botany too, but will eagerly vote for a Harris-(anyone) ticket over a Trump-Vance ticket. But for real I want to learn how to keep orchids alive.

This summary from the Independent necessarily cuts out a lot of the nuance of AOC's points - I say "necessarily" because she spoke on Instagram for a full hour - and one thing that she seemed to emphasize - more than the "They don't 100% support Harris either" point - is there there is very little time remaining in the election year to make any changes to the ticket. There are just weeks until the Democratic convention, and Ohio requires the names to be finalized even before that. She also emphasized that any change to the ticket, especially any late change, increases the chance that the presidency will ultimately be decided - if not by the bureaucracy of a swing state, many of which, like Ohio, are Republican-controlled - then by a legal case that goes before the (corrupt, she didn't need to explain, although there were arch eyebrows at this point) Supreme Court, which is just not an ideal situation for democracy.

She acts like that's a bad thing. It's the truth, and it's not the "elites," it's most democratic voters, donors, and a sizeable percentage of political elites, i.e. senators and congress people. Don't look now, AOC, but you are one of the elites.

Trading Biden for Harris is just allowing Trump to campaign against the same administration and trading a guy too old to effectively communicate for someone who is just ineffective at communicating.

I don't want Harris only slightly less than I don't want Biden. They're both losers, but not in the vague insulting sense: in the sense that they're both likely to lose to Trump.

doyee

Literally no one wanted Kamala in the primaries. Everyone knows she got picked as a token diversity VP and not because she was actually popular or anything.

She has a higher chance of losing than Biden. If we're gonna axe the incubent, then you better open up some serious candidates, otherwise this will be a repeat of 2016 and no one will vote.

This is the best summary I could come up with:

New York Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez went on Instagram Live early on Friday morning to share her thoughts on Joe Biden’s floundering re-election campaign - and warning that many of those who want the President to drop out of the race, also want Vice President Kamala Harris off the ticket too.

“If you think that there is consensus among the people who want Joe Biden to leave ... that they will support, Vice President Harris, you would be mistaken,” she told viewers.

She slammed her colleagues for giving anonymous quotes to the press, calling it “bull****” and urged those resigned to a loss to Donald Trump to give up their seats.

This comes amid mounting pressure on Biden to leave the race.

While he remains publicly committed to staying in the race, Axios reports that in private, the president has resigned himself to increasing calls from lawmakers for him to drop out amid bad polling and mounting scrutiny of his age and mental acuity.

“I’m here to tell you that a huge amount of the donor class and a huge amount of these elites and a huge amount of these folks in these rooms that I see that are pushing for President Biden to not be the nominee also are not interested in seeing the Vice President being the nominee,” she added.

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I mean nobody really wants Kamala but it sounds like that may be the best path. It’s one thing to have the president step down for health reasons, but it’s another to unilaterally replace the candidate after the primary as a response to bad polling.

If the second case happens you’ll see a bunch of pushback from democrats who don’t like the pick, donors who backed Biden, and virtually every Republican trying to portray the democrats in a negative light. That’s just the PR angle ignoring that there will also be legal questions around using Bidens donation money and getting a different candidate on the ballot in all 50 states.

GIVE IT A FUCKING REST

The whole fucking front page is already filled up with this stuff

WE ARE AWARE OF THE BIDEN STEPPING DOWN THING

This is why you never listen to panicking morons by themselves. If you remove the whole ticket they won't even have ballot access.

I think that’s fair though? If you bring in a new candidate for president, it’s only fair that they get to bring in their own team. I don’t mind Kamala, the ticket should be whoever makes the strongest pair and would want to work together

I don't really care what happens as long as the Republicans don't win. If AOC's only problem is that Kamala won't be on the ticket, then is that problem really worth risking putting the fascists in power?

Kamala is as popular as wet toilet paper. Nobody likes her. Every time she speaks in public, her ratings go down.

Ask anyone that wants to remove people off the ticket: Who should they be replaced with?

I haven't heard a good answer yet.

Kamala would actually decrease the odds. I'd rather stick with Joe.

I'm fine keeping biden and removing kamala too, or kamala with a progressive VP

@mozz

I think so. This attack is coming from a higher income bracket than Biden.
I believe the doner class has spoken and the democratic leadership is tripping over their own balls to remove them both.

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@mozz Everybody needs to stop untitling the Vice President. It does not help move us toward a society that doesn’t discriminate in hiring for senior positions if we keep talking about women (especially if they’re women of color) as if they’re children while simultaneously referring to male peers by last names and/or titles.

Glad she had this livestream and she shared her insight. The fact the people calling for Joe to step down have no plan is stunning -- and how the same people aren't even considering Harris is equally shocking. I'll stick with Joe.

Good. Kamala isn't a great VP and is not especially popular.

@mozz Well right, people who want to win want to get rid of both of these flawed candidates.

Ugh, id probably vote for kamala for being younger. But shes got a very low approval rating and has a lot of the same baggage Biden has, over the gaza situation and the border.

I just thought of a pretty optimistic angle though, if Biden drops out and a new candidate runs, its their first term. With someone younger winning gives them a better chance at using whats supposed to be a huge incumbency advantage for 8 more years of dems controlling the whitehouse at least.

Democrats to Harris:

https://youtu.be/Ao9ejWOXgHc

The fart left: “BiDeN old”

Democrats: “Okay, how about Kamila?”

The Far Left: “Not her either!”

Democrats: “Okay, then who?”

The Far Left: “………..”

TRUMP WINS.

The far Left: “See! We told you!”

Huh. Maybe she's not completely stupid.

I want to remove AOC from public office for voting to protect the rail corporations from the unions strike.