2 mo. ago • 100%

At some point we have to ask "are we the baddies"?

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"are we the baddies?"

The answer to that is a resounding "the other guy is worse, shut up chinese psyop tankie bot". 🙄

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- on lemmy.world i get called out for using a joke like this, but in the rest of the lemmyverse it's funny; such a crazy place and i love it.
  
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  Don't forget shit just works, they're even worse
  
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When you post things like this could you at least link something else other than a screenshot of a tweet of a screenshot of a memo

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- FYI this is a publicly available government document, so you can easily find it yourself.
  
  Next time ask politely, not like a redditor
  
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  Excuse me I didn't know you were allowed to use slurs on here
  
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More people were killed by US Customs and Border Patrol in 2022 than died at the Berlin Wall in its entire 28-year existence.

Maybe the fact that the US border is almost 80 times longer than the Berlin Wall has something to do with that?

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- Densely populated area vs sparsely populated area. We should really be comparing deaths per attempted crossing.
  
  This source claims over 100000 people tried to cross the Berlin Wall, and CBP says about 3 million attempted crossings in 2022
  
  That's about 1400 per million killed in Berlin and about 60 per million killed in the US. Considering one had shoot-to-kill orders and the other is supposed to be a upstanding country, only 20x better really isn't that impressive.
  
  If anyone can find better numbers, please do recalculate my results, my numbers are what I could find in a few minutes on mobile.
  
  EDIT: corrected Berlin number, I read the wrong one initially
  
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  This seems like solid data to extrapolate. Still shocking numbers of immigrants murdered by US agents when the number should be zero.
  
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  That’s about 1400 per million killed in Berlin and about 60 per million killed in the US. Considering one had shoot-to-kill orders and the other is supposed to be a upstanding country, only 20x better really isn’t that impressive.
  
  Some percentage of people are always going to whip out a gun and start blasting when authorities try to detain them, so you're never going to get that number down to zero.
  
  According to these numbers, the US police arrested a total of just over ten million people in 2019, and the total number of people fatally shot by cops that year was a thousand. So that's a fatality rate of 100 per million arrests, almost double the rate of fatalities per attempted border crossing. So, y'know, I think the US Border Patrol is doing relatively well.
  
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- Oh so I guess it's just fine then? /s
  
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- That doesn't mean you need to kill them
  
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old but "gold"

The EU has built 1,000km of border walls since fall of Berlin Wall (from 2018)

More people are murdered at the EU borders to the south each year too

Frontex ("European Border and Coast Guard Agency") is basically a front for the military industrial complex (countless ~~corrpution~~ lobby meetings) and has no regards whatsoever in treating immigrants like human beings

see here:
https://frontexfiles.eu/en.html

tl;dr: the EU is a (neo-)colonialist/imperialist fortress

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Umm akshurally it's a freedom 'Merica wall™, obviously that makes it ok. What are you, some anti-American Russian troll bot that hates freedom?

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- Me: Killing and deporting the loved ones of your potential voters is not even a wise tactical move for winning elections
  
  Blue MAGA: I guess you want Trump to win
  
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  Um akshurally how are we supposed to prevent Fascism if we don't use Fascism Lite™
  
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executive being the keyword here

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