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Italy starts removing lesbian mothers’ names from children’s birth certificates

www.cnn.com Italy starts removing lesbian mothers' names from children's birth certificates | CNN

The northern Italian city of Padua has started removing the names of non-biological gay mothers from their children’s birth certificates under new legislation passed by the “traditional family-first” government of Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni.

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I know that the international ultra conservative movement wants to erase LBGTQ rights, but this is one I hadn’t considered. Chiseling away the rights of gay parents in order to jealously guard the “traditional” family is mean and stupid.

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- There's a reason one of the five things prohibited under the UNs 1948 convention against genocide is the forcible transfer of children. This is a step down that same path.
  
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  As someone whose had a lesbian non-biological parent and a birther go to the court over our custody in Texas, I'm thankful the judge recognized my mom's legitimacy as our parent and gave her full custody. But it could have easily turned out differently simply because of the non-biological parent part, but at least her name was on our birth certificates and we had her last name from birth. Can't imagine it would have turned out the same otherwise despite the other person clearly being totally unfit to raise children.
  
  The politicians acting like this isn't discrimination that acts against the interests of children are lying or ignorant of the downstream consequences.
  
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- Having a non-biological parents recorded on a birth certificate is just about the farthest thing from a right. Quit the bullshit alarmism.
  
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I guess Italy needs a reminder of what the rest of the world did to them the last time they chose Fascism.

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- Not like the rest of the world is that much better off
  
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  Your point?
  
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- You must be fun at parties.
  
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Nothing says family first like legally busting up families.

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Really unfortunate to see from Italy.

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Isn't the whole point of a birth certificate that it records the birth parents?

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- Honestly I'm surprised it was ever allowed. A birth certificate should serve as a historical genealogical record and might be useful for tracking, for example, hereditary diseases like Huntington's. It's not much use if it's got an unrelated adoptive parent on it. Maybe there should be an additional field for legal caregiver when there's a difference.
  
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  What about if the father is an anonymous sperm donor? Why wouldn't you write the other mom's name in the birth certificate?
  
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- Consider this: One from the couple is an egg donor, one is the surrogate.
  
  Also, the point of the birth certificate is to record the existence of the child. This person exists, now they can be tracked (age, citizenship, etc), go to school, be taxed...
  
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  Consider this: One from the couple is an egg donor, one is the surrogate.
  
  OK? What does that merit consideration for? Put down the parents, and fill out the usual slew of adoption paperwork.
  
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Giorgia Meloni dico solo questo

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Maybe as a benchmark. How is it handled with adoption? Is that also not registered?

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Good for Italy, they are stepping on the right direction.

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From the article "Surrogacy is illegal in Italy, and gay marriage has not been legalized. Because same-sex relationships aren’t recognized in law, the non-biological parent has to make a special case for legally adopting their child."

Makes sense, local government is simply following the law.

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- y'all ever consider changing the law instead of enforcing something monstrous?
  
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  Having the birth-parents on the birth certificate is ‘monstrous’? Come now.
  
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- You realize most atrocities in history were done "just following the law", right?
  
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- Makes sense, local government is simply following the law.
  
  ... is what a fascist sympathizer would say in this situation.
  
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  Hey buddy, fascism isn't just whenever you don't actually have the ability to defend your position
  
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- I'm Italian and I'm ashamed.
  
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- You know how many outmoded and idiotic laws are still on the books, but are simply ignored because it's embarrassing to even acknowledge them? Law is not absolute.
  
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  Absolutely. So they should be able to ignore the above quoted law.
  
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Traditional family-first is good approach, I only wonder why care so much about non traditionals, they probably won't make traditional family anyway lol.

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- How is this "good approach"?
  
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- Traditional family-first is good approach
  
  Oh, so a man, his 12 children, and his third wife after the first two died in childbirth?
  
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